Trayvon Martin Case Prompts Civil Rights Commission Investigation On Stand Your Ground Laws

[gejohnston]

32. why not look up the law?

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter0776/All

You aren't charged with murder unless there is evidence of murder. It's a pretty simple concept really which existed well before the recent laws were enacted. You're simply repeating the same hogwash that was used to justify these fucked up laws in the first place. Where's all the cases where innocent people were being charged with murder? Most, if not all states, had already rejected the "duty to retreat" in all but the most egregious circumstances well before all these ALEC/NRA nutbag written bullshit shoot-first laws were enacted. You also make it sound as if "duty to retreat" is a bad thing. It isn't. A guy in Florida shot an unarmed drunk man who happened to ring the wrong doorbell in the middle of the night. "Duty to retreat" would have required him at the very least to do the sensible thing and go back inside his home. Instead he shot the man AFTER he put his hands up, then got away free thanks to the fucked up law.

Sometimes it is manslaughter. Sometimes the DA does nothing. Don't think for a second DTR would not have the same racial or social biases. Do you have links to actual newspaper reports or police reports? Sorry, my bullshit meter is pegged. Depends on the cops and the DA. In DTR, it is up to the cops and the DA. it has happened in Florida before the law was passed. I did not say I think the Florida law is good, or not vague. I am simply defending the concept. Where are those people? How would I know, there is no statistic for "claimed self defense but went to jail anyway" although when I was in Kansas, there was such a trial. The Sedgewick County DA tried it as murder or manslaughter even though the evidence was overwhelmingly against it.

The list was from an opinion piece. Most of them are in jail. The two drunks in a bar certainly are. I live here. I know some of those cases. I doubt any of them were ruled as justifiable in the immunity hearing.

The bullshit call is a pretty easy one to make here. First of all, when a law allows an aggressor to use deadly force, it can no longer legitimately be called "stand your ground", that's why "shoot first" is what the actual law is. Evidently you consider groups like Dailykos, Media Matters, Thinkprogress, Democracynow, and CSGV as "propagandists" while the fruits and nuts like LaPierre and ALEC have it right. Kinda makes you go, hmmmmm.

Read the law. The aggressor is not allowed to use deadly force. Read the law for yourself.

Yes they are propaganda, just like ALEC and the NRA puts out propaganda. If you are selling something like an ideology or even soap, you are putting out propaganda. CSGV matches ALEC as being the most dishonest. When it comes to guns and self defense, MM and Think Progress are often lazy if not dishonest. Our side has its warts. That is how the real world works. There is no we are 100 percent right and they are 100 wrong.