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In reply to the discussion: UN expands Argentine sovereignty over maritime area [View all]Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)42. US State Department cable in relation to Argentina's 2009 submission
to the UNCLCS:
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09BUENOSAIRES920_a.html
ARGENTINA AGREES TO PROPOSAL TO RESOLVE DISAGREEMENT OVER ITS CLAIM ON ANTARCTIC SHELF
Date:
2009 August 11, 19:51 (Tuesday)
Canonical ID:
09BUENOSAIRES920_a
Original Classification:
UNCLASSIFIED,FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
Current Classification:
UNCLASSIFIED,FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
Handling Restrictions
-- Not Assigned --
Character Count:
3090
Executive Order:
-- Not Assigned --
Locator:
TEXT ONLINE
TAGS:
AR - Argentina | PHSA - Political Affairs--High Seas Affairs | PREL - Political Affairs--External Political Relations | PTBS
Concepts:
-- Not Assigned --
Enclosure:
-- Not Assigned --
Type:
TE - Telegram (cable)
Office Origin:
-- N/A or Blank --
Office Action:
-- N/A or Blank --
Archive Status:
-- Not Assigned --
From:
Argentina Buenos Aires
Markings:
-- Not Assigned --
To:
Australia Canberra | France Paris | Group Destinations Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR-Mercado Común del Sur) |New Zealand Auckland | Norway Oslo |Russia Moscow | Secretary of State |United Kingdom London | United Nations (New York)
PREVIOUS
1. (SBU) ADCM and ESTCouns delivered ref A points to the Argentine MFA's Director General for Political Coordination, Rafael Grossi, a close advisor to FM Jorge Taiana. Grossi was pleased with the USG proposal regarding Argentina's submission of its claim to the Antarctic continental platform (ref B), which he labeled a "very good outcome," and said he could reciprocate with "something that will provide comfort to our partners." The MFA had held a long meeting on this issue on August 4, he said, where the Foreign Minister had approved the exact wording of Argentina's oral communication to the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) on August 24. (Text follows below. Spanish and English versions have been e-mailed to the Department.) Grossi confirmed he would travel to New York to represent the GOA at the Commission's hearing and to work with the Chairman and the Secretariat to ensure Argentina's oral statement is included in the written record of the meeting. He offered to meet with USUN.
2. (SBU) Grossi acknowledged that Argentina is "fully aware" that the way its submission to the CLCS had been handled was "not ideal," but he hoped we understood the reasons why the GOA had done so. "We realize we altered the framework (of the 7 plus 2 agreement) and therefore needed to reassure our friends," he said. Grossi was thankful that this "fair compromise" had avoided an open disagreement. He mentioned that he would meet with the Russians, the Australians, New Zealanders and British later in the day to share with them the proposed language just presented to us. He planned on seeing the French and Norwegians on August 6. Grossi also noted that the British Ambassador had forewarned the MFA of the United Kingdom's forthcoming objection to the Argentine presentation, so that it would not come as a surprise to the GOA.
3. (SBU) Text of GOA statement to the CLCS follows. Begin text. Argentina made a full submission of the outer limit of its continental shelf, including the natural prolongation appurtenant to the continent, the islands and the Argentina Antarctic Sector. However, as Note NU/139/2009/600 states, the Argentine Republic takes into account the circumstances of the region south of 60 degrees South latitude and the special legal and political status of Antarctica under the provisions of the Antarctic Treaty, including article IV thereof, and the Rules of Procedure of the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf. Therefore, and in accordance with its rules, the Commission could not take any action, for the time being, with regard to the information in this Submission that relates to continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica.
End Text. KELLY
ARGENTINA AGREES TO PROPOSAL TO RESOLVE DISAGREEMENT OVER ITS CLAIM ON ANTARCTIC SHELF
Date:
2009 August 11, 19:51 (Tuesday)
Canonical ID:
09BUENOSAIRES920_a
Original Classification:
UNCLASSIFIED,FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
Current Classification:
UNCLASSIFIED,FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
Handling Restrictions
-- Not Assigned --
Character Count:
3090
Executive Order:
-- Not Assigned --
Locator:
TEXT ONLINE
TAGS:
AR - Argentina | PHSA - Political Affairs--High Seas Affairs | PREL - Political Affairs--External Political Relations | PTBS
Concepts:
-- Not Assigned --
Enclosure:
-- Not Assigned --
Type:
TE - Telegram (cable)
Office Origin:
-- N/A or Blank --
Office Action:
-- N/A or Blank --
Archive Status:
-- Not Assigned --
From:
Argentina Buenos Aires
Markings:
-- Not Assigned --
To:
Australia Canberra | France Paris | Group Destinations Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR-Mercado Común del Sur) |New Zealand Auckland | Norway Oslo |Russia Moscow | Secretary of State |United Kingdom London | United Nations (New York)
PREVIOUS
1. (SBU) ADCM and ESTCouns delivered ref A points to the Argentine MFA's Director General for Political Coordination, Rafael Grossi, a close advisor to FM Jorge Taiana. Grossi was pleased with the USG proposal regarding Argentina's submission of its claim to the Antarctic continental platform (ref B), which he labeled a "very good outcome," and said he could reciprocate with "something that will provide comfort to our partners." The MFA had held a long meeting on this issue on August 4, he said, where the Foreign Minister had approved the exact wording of Argentina's oral communication to the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) on August 24. (Text follows below. Spanish and English versions have been e-mailed to the Department.) Grossi confirmed he would travel to New York to represent the GOA at the Commission's hearing and to work with the Chairman and the Secretariat to ensure Argentina's oral statement is included in the written record of the meeting. He offered to meet with USUN.
2. (SBU) Grossi acknowledged that Argentina is "fully aware" that the way its submission to the CLCS had been handled was "not ideal," but he hoped we understood the reasons why the GOA had done so. "We realize we altered the framework (of the 7 plus 2 agreement) and therefore needed to reassure our friends," he said. Grossi was thankful that this "fair compromise" had avoided an open disagreement. He mentioned that he would meet with the Russians, the Australians, New Zealanders and British later in the day to share with them the proposed language just presented to us. He planned on seeing the French and Norwegians on August 6. Grossi also noted that the British Ambassador had forewarned the MFA of the United Kingdom's forthcoming objection to the Argentine presentation, so that it would not come as a surprise to the GOA.
3. (SBU) Text of GOA statement to the CLCS follows. Begin text. Argentina made a full submission of the outer limit of its continental shelf, including the natural prolongation appurtenant to the continent, the islands and the Argentina Antarctic Sector. However, as Note NU/139/2009/600 states, the Argentine Republic takes into account the circumstances of the region south of 60 degrees South latitude and the special legal and political status of Antarctica under the provisions of the Antarctic Treaty, including article IV thereof, and the Rules of Procedure of the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf. Therefore, and in accordance with its rules, the Commission could not take any action, for the time being, with regard to the information in this Submission that relates to continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica.
End Text. KELLY
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Well, it means the western half of said zone is now illegal per international laws of the sea.
forest444
Mar 2016
#3
On the sovereignty dispute perhaps - which this ruling does not impact at all.
forest444
Mar 2016
#8
Nope. Everything from Argentina to Antarctica is now Argentina's, except for the 12 mile bubble.
Xithras
Mar 2016
#9
Argentina has recognized a 160 mile exclusionary fishing zone around the Falklands
hack89
Mar 2016
#11
Nope. I copied that map straight off the UN website, right out of the approved proposal.
Xithras
Mar 2016
#22
I'm just glad they have Michelle Bachelet there, not some Pinochet grease monkey like Piņera.
forest444
Mar 2016
#29
No the British won't comply forest. Its a non-binding decision of the UN. Britain isn't going
Bacchus4.0
Mar 2016
#44