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videotaped himself.. frylock Jun 2012 #1
Absolutely- and the words he chose were very obvious Marrah_G Jun 2012 #223
What, don't YOU pack heat when you talk to your neighbors about something? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #2
Really? Please provide a link of a Gungeoneer who says that legal possession of a firearm Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #8
Read the fucking gungeon Scootaloo Jun 2012 #12
So, I take it you don't have a link? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #24
Trouble is, sifting through all of it would be like going through TV Tropes Scootaloo Jun 2012 #27
So in other words SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #166
No, "in other words" I didn't have time. Which isn't really "other words," but hey Scootaloo Jun 2012 #188
I don't see that he "refuses" to admit it. His argument is that the vast majority Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #192
Who said anything about CCW? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #194
Oh, Good God. You're hopeless. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #209
I recall several posts made by many of our pro-gun "progressives" Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #28
Not quite the same thing as "absolves him of all criminal liability," now is it? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #32
I doubt that. Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #38
What do you know? How many CCW'ers do you know? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #40
I go by what I read on gun forums. Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #45
Perhaps you should look at some real statistics. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #78
Who cares about facts and statistics? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #129
Having fewer murder convictions is OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #240
Here you are: GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #261
Hmmmm.... OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #265
More data: GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #270
So that's about 2%. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #272
Certainly there are millions who could qualify for a CHL but don't want one... GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #274
No, the debate is about what claims are made in the debate. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #276
I know a lot too and yes they are Frightened and Paranoid, thats why they Pack everywhere. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #47
I was wondering about that statement too........... Plucketeer Jun 2012 #55
Do you wear a seat belt? If so, why? Are you frightened and paranoid? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #59
Do you believe in Jesus? If so, DocMac Jun 2012 #70
Ya I wear a seat belt , because I'm Afraid some idiot will run into me,, I don't pack anymore bahrbearian Jun 2012 #73
So you ARE frightened and paranoid? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #87
Admit it So are You, bahrbearian Jun 2012 #93
No, I won't admit to something so blatantly untrue. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #127
seatbelt? because it's required by law. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2012 #94
I've always used one since I was a kid, long before their use was required slackmaster Jun 2012 #95
but did you use your seatbelt because you're paranoid and frightened? BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2012 #105
I use it because I want to increase my chances of survival in the event of a violent collision slackmaster Jun 2012 #110
Fail. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #122
Nothing to do with it actually being... oh... PavePusher Jun 2012 #286
This message was self-deleted by its author BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2012 #101
"NONE"????? None of them are frightened, paranoid or angry?? loudsue Jun 2012 #57
That's correct. None. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #61
Maybe you "Think" your not Frighted or Paranoid but packing proves you wrong. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #68
The vast majority of permit holders are rural and suburban white males.... Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #69
So what are "They" afraid of? bahrbearian Jun 2012 #71
I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #74
We are , I thought you were someone else. I'll edit it. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #79
You have proof of that demographic? GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #88
As I said "the vast majority"... Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #90
And you are ignoring my proof that most are urban. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #109
whites are about 50% of tx population. interesting. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #281
heh heh.... glad others here are telling them what's up fascisthunter Jun 2012 #82
How would he know who were CCW unless they inform him and why should they inform him? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #163
More law abiding on average than what? OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #238
Ya, it all makes perfect sense, When I speak to people while holding a gun on them bahrbearian Jun 2012 #33
On average more law abiding doesn't mean universally law abiding 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #228
You live in Canada by any chance? ileus Jun 2012 #50
tis an ill wind blowing. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #66
Bingo. onehandle Jun 2012 #64
Got any evidence (like actual case studies of gun owners).... PavePusher Jun 2012 #287
you are reading through the veil of your own prejudice. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #114
Agree. patrice Jun 2012 #30
Well, now that you actually have entered the Guns forum to defend this absurd petronius Jun 2012 #44
I love the smell of pizza in the morning. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #54
Lt Kilgore... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #75
How? Nobody delivers before noon! nt DocMac Jun 2012 #76
its always five o'clock somewhere. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #112
Lol...how true. nt DocMac Jun 2012 #158
He went over to the other house with a gun and had set up a video-recording in advance? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #3
+1. He wasn't standing *his* own ground. He's going down for this. freshwest Jun 2012 #15
SYG is the perfect law for bullies. They have to have an edge. Now they can pick a fight they might rhett o rick Jun 2012 #4
That's been my issue from the start... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #138
Nope. That was NOT self-defense. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #5
+1 freshwest Jun 2012 #11
Premeditated mrder. H2O Man Jun 2012 #6
+1000 nt abelenkpe Jun 2012 #9
Yep! And a sick attempt to cover for it, too. Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #86
To me, his videotaping shows the confrontation was premeditated obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #262
Exactly. H2O Man Jun 2012 #273
You got it obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #275
Hope he fries FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #7
By this reasoning I suppose sulphurdunn Jun 2012 #10
Exactly. And I saw a gun shop owner on TV saying Rodriguez did everything right. pnwmom Jun 2012 #22
it's comin' right for us! frylock Jun 2012 #132
But, But, he feared for his life. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #13
Pre-emptive war on the homefront? I can't believe he'll get away with this. freshwest Jun 2012 #17
Its the Bush Doctrine, its never been challenged. Look forward. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #19
Much older than Bush, go back a couple of centuries. Engrained response. freshwest Jun 2012 #21
The sad part is he'd probably have a whole lot of believers Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #140
Noise complaint? abelenkpe Jun 2012 #14
That's right! DocMac Jun 2012 #91
Damn straight sulphurdunn Jun 2012 #208
OK, I need to shout this now: SHOOTER DID CALL THE POLICE "REPEATEDLY" before shooting wordpix Jun 2012 #267
He probably should have consulted an attorney Turbineguy Jun 2012 #16
That's sick. He's a murderer. nt shcrane71 Jun 2012 #18
A person is dead because this man thought SYG gave him the right to kill. enough Jun 2012 #20
Beware of criticizing SYG laws. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #241
It's obvious, these SYG laws Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #23
No surprise there. Look at the people who enacted these laws Thegonagle Jun 2012 #36
Would a Soylent Green reference be too much? sakabatou Jun 2012 #193
Sounds like he planned to murder the guy to me. Solly Mack Jun 2012 #25
How is he standing his ground in someone else's driveway. Its not just ... marble falls Jun 2012 #26
Yes, standing your ground means staying where you are instead of running away slackmaster Jun 2012 #53
The whole thing looks like a half assed savalez Jun 2012 #72
I don't know about Texas Hells Liberal Jun 2012 #106
does this work for gas leafblowers too? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #29
Premediated murder Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #31
There will no doubt be plenty of gun fans rising to his defense. pnwmom Jun 2012 #34
He was the armed aggressor. He initiated the contact. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #81
I agree that this was murder. But I'm not a gun fanatic. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #115
good to know in case i decide to rob a liquor store frylock Jun 2012 #134
I am reminded of the brutal cops who robotically tblue37 Jun 2012 #35
You watch Cops too? You'd think they'd behave better in front of a TV camera. Thegonagle Jun 2012 #37
No--I have never seen that program. But I do often see cops doing that tblue37 Jun 2012 #58
This looks like premeditated murder to me slackmaster Jun 2012 #39
The shooter escalated the situation by rudely confronting his neighbors. pacalo Jun 2012 #41
apparently you didn't read the article or see the video. The shooter DID call police several x from wordpix Jun 2012 #263
The video showed a man out in the street, angrily approaching his neighbor's house. pacalo Jun 2012 #280
I wonder bongbong Jun 2012 #42
What is a "gun-religionist"? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #43
They're all out shooting their neighbors and getting their rocks off over it. nt valerief Jun 2012 #52
Who is? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #130
Read the thread. valerief Jun 2012 #235
I did. Who is? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #277
Who is what? valerief Jun 2012 #284
You are making accusations of murder and mental imbalance against DUers. PavePusher Jun 2012 #288
Apparently didn't choose the former. Robb Jun 2012 #295
Aw Geez meeksgeek Jun 2012 #46
Not necessarily a "noise complaint", Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #49
the shooter DID call the cops, several times wordpix Jun 2012 #264
Where did I lie? meeksgeek Jun 2012 #278
they're coming right at us! enki23 Jun 2012 #48
OMG, that asshole went over with his kill weapon just looking for trouble. valerief Jun 2012 #51
You know, the phrase "strung up by the neck" is much more commonly petronius Jun 2012 #62
Uh, why can't you have both? Does it always have to be poison in the veins? nt valerief Jun 2012 #234
Hanging has a long historical record... PavePusher Jun 2012 #289
Yes, I know - I was referring just the phrasing petronius Jun 2012 #292
Are you willing to pull the lever that drops him? oneshooter Jun 2012 #154
Sure. After his trial. nt valerief Jun 2012 #233
"First we're gonna give'im a fair trial... PavePusher Jun 2012 #290
Gun culture strikes again. nt onehandle Jun 2012 #56
Sounds like his video/audio will bite him on the ass. ileus Jun 2012 #60
Yep. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #65
I didn't take that away. I think the shooter was truly scared AND wordpix Jun 2012 #266
Watched the video. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #63
His video will likely be evidence at his murder trial. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #67
I miss the unrec button. L0oniX Jun 2012 #77
tough shit fascisthunter Jun 2012 #85
Ohhh you are scaring me now. L0oniX Jun 2012 #89
don't shoot fascisthunter Jun 2012 #92
Don't hit me you OG tattooed big bully. L0oniX Jun 2012 #96
hahaha.... well done! fascisthunter Jun 2012 #97
There's a little "x" at the end of the thread title Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #149
This dumbass was the ONLY one out there with a gun, so why was he "scared" for his own life? nt MrScorpio Jun 2012 #80
What are you going to believe, the headline or your lying eyes? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #83
"got shot after approaching Rodriguez in a menacing way" FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #107
Both parties were gun owners. The video at #83 provides the best evidence of their actions. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #135
please tell me you live in this neighborhood and can tell us about the Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #151
I don't have to interpret the video. It is what it is. I just invited people to actually look at it AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #157
And we looked. FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #173
Google is your friend. Photo of the layout. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #175
doesn't tell me much, but it's better than nothing, so thanks... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #180
Apartment complex. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #181
so where was the manager/landlord/super or whatever?? Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #182
Those are good questions. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #183
I put my other findings in #179 Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #184
This was a house on a 2 acre property, not an apartment. pnwmom Jun 2012 #248
What the heck is this? The only Kelly Danaher in Huffman, TX pnwmom Jun 2012 #239
What do you see in the video at the 54 second mark? N/T beevul Jun 2012 #197
at :54? I see truck headlights Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #201
What about the double yellow lines they're shining on... beevul Jun 2012 #202
ok....it's clear that they sort of came to him... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #205
I read 179. beevul Jun 2012 #206
Yes, the unedited video is important Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #207
Danaher's house was on a 2 acre property. But he didn't come out of the car, pnwmom Jun 2012 #250
it doesn't take much imagination to know what's wrong with the poster you've addressed frylock Jun 2012 #137
Obviously what's wrong with me is that I don't engage in ad hominem attacks. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #142
We've all seen the video OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #242
A menacing way dpibel Jun 2012 #120
"So far, being a rowdy drunk is still not a capital crime", Too bad because I'd like to see bahrbearian Jun 2012 #128
He's not in jail? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #143
You're eyes are doing a pretty good job lying to you. pnwmom Jun 2012 #123
Anyone can look at the video at 1.30 and see that "those guys" WERE NOT "holding their hands AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #141
The victim was on his own property. The shooter had left his home to complain about NOISE. pnwmom Jun 2012 #146
That's all the video shows you? It doesn't show you "those guys holding their hands up above their AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #156
I'm taking the side of an unarmed man on his own driveway who was shot by an angry, paranoid pnwmom Jun 2012 #159
What if... sarisataka Jun 2012 #167
Screw "what if". We should be more concerned with "what did". Heywood J Jun 2012 #195
I'd think they'd have been justified pnwmom Jun 2012 #211
Why would they be justified in attempting to disarm him sarisataka Jun 2012 #225
I said morally justified, not legally justified. I wouldn't have blamed them pnwmom Jun 2012 #226
There I can agree sarisataka Jun 2012 #227
Wait a minute OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #243
I am speaking of legalities sarisataka Jun 2012 #245
Their legal justification is clear: OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #249
You still miss the point sarisataka Jun 2012 #252
I don't miss the point. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #253
I think we reached middle ground here sarisataka Jun 2012 #255
Unfortunately, common sense is far too uncommon! OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #268
what if your aunt had nads? frylock Jun 2012 #212
If I am taking a side, I am taking the side of verifiable evidence instead of speculation. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #168
The video is only part of the evidence given in the courtroom, pnwmom Jun 2012 #213
You've said this twice now, and it's self-contradictory FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #174
"A handgun is for shooting your way to your rifle..." AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #178
So, Rodriguez was going for a rifle? boppers Jun 2012 #186
There is no doubt that the shooter was the ONLY one with a gun. pnwmom Jun 2012 #214
Golly, maybe the poster is taking the side of the person who isn't a murderous fuck DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2012 #198
LOL. That about sums it up. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #215
You missed part of the video, obviously...or perhaps didn't see the same one. beevul Jun 2012 #196
Courtroom testimony was that he entered the driveway. However, pnwmom Jun 2012 #216
So why would they leave their party and drive over to HIS house to confront HIM? Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #155
He is not "my boy Rodriguez." In modern America we don't use such phrases. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #161
OK; he's not "your boy"...Pardon the ebonics... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #179
More "verifiable evidence" for you in #185 Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #204
The other attendees probably didn't have guns to drive home to get. pnwmom Jun 2012 #217
uh, yeah...he WAS killed over a noise complaint Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #145
I watched it- The man with the gun is at fault Marrah_G Jun 2012 #224
nobody saw this coming... especially gun nuts pushing for this madness fascisthunter Jun 2012 #84
hey it worked once... n/t neovente Jun 2012 #98
Not as clear cut as either side would like sarisataka Jun 2012 #99
He went onto someone else's property and precipitated an argument that escalated into a fight slackmaster Jun 2012 #102
Its not clear whos property hes on... beevul Jun 2012 #108
I can't tell what's going on in the video, but I can't listen to the sound until I get home tonight slackmaster Jun 2012 #111
More video here beevul Jun 2012 #121
The full video would be helpful sarisataka Jun 2012 #152
Absolutely. 100%. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #162
Thank you. I'm aware that you're very pro 2nd Amendment DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2012 #199
The video provides the best evidence. See #83. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #125
He claimed he was 200 feet away, but plenty of driveways are that long. pnwmom Jun 2012 #131
The video at #83 provides the best evidence. It doesn't show that "They were standing with their AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #139
No one else had a gun! Any paranoid person, like this shooter, can see a bulge and pnwmom Jun 2012 #147
If anyone wants to follow your link to see whether it does or does not establish that "No one else AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #164
"He was the one with the gun." THE ONE. You don't have to follow a link, pnwmom Jun 2012 #236
you can see the lights of the house. it's far back from the filmer. you can see the filmer is HiPointDem Jun 2012 #282
The video was more than 22 minutes long, and that video is only a few minutes. pnwmom Jun 2012 #285
i agree he precipitated everything. but the video doesn't show him on their property, & it does HiPointDem Jun 2012 #293
They're laughing because they were drunk and/or stupid. But they weren't paranoid pnwmom Jun 2012 #294
you seem to think you need to convince me of something i've already acknowledged. you don't. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #296
I guess I don't know why it matters if the partygoers jumped him. It's still his fault, right? pnwmom Jun 2012 #297
did we watch the same video? yes, they were angry, cursing, & threatening. the guy started it, HiPointDem Jun 2012 #298
Yes we did. As you said before, they were LAUGHING just as the video ended. pnwmom Jun 2012 #299
laughing not in a fun way. i thought that both parties appeared threatening at different times, HiPointDem Jun 2012 #300
"I'm not going to lose to these people anymore," he said -- laughter, and then the gun went off. pnwmom Jun 2012 #301
Nonsensical OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #244
May I enlighten you sarisataka Jun 2012 #246
No, my scenario has nothing to do with "terroristic threats" OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #251
Did you miss the truck? sarisataka Jun 2012 #254
No, I saw the truck. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #256
I think we may not be totally eye to eye sarisataka Jun 2012 #257
Why should he have felt fearful? He didn't have to stand his ground. All he had to do pnwmom Jun 2012 #258
Tactically unsound sarisataka Jun 2012 #259
He couldn't have, you know, STAYED IN HIS HOUSE? Cosmocat Jun 2012 #283
So he's claiming "Stand your ground". Hells Liberal Jun 2012 #100
Actually, as verified by the link, he's claiming self-defense. Others who are opposed to him, but AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #165
Wild Wild West. These idiots are using this law to kill people. sarcasmo Jun 2012 #103
He was standing on the victim's ground. McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #104
He was standing in the street. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #113
The victim isn't saying anything because he's dead. And the article says pnwmom Jun 2012 #116
Watch the video. Its in this thread. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #118
That video was the first one I saw and it shows he's the aggressor. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #124
I agree that he is the agressor, but he is still in the street. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #136
You can't tell that from the video. My driveway is more than 300 feet long. And the testimony pnwmom Jun 2012 #144
So what that your driveway is long? His wasn't. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #171
I'm judging from the courtroom testimony that it took place pnwmom Jun 2012 #189
You mean that you are judging from the MSM reporting. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #220
True. But several media sources reported the same testimony. pnwmom Jun 2012 #221
What driveway? GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #229
How do you know where the location is? pnwmom Jun 2012 #232
Regardless of how long your driveway is, Danaher says at 1.52 that they are in the street AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #172
The courtroom testimony says they were in the driveway. pnwmom Jun 2012 #190
At 1.52 in the video, Danaher says that they are in the street and that he is going to return. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #170
If he setup a video then went armed with a gun it was premeditated murder. nt cstanleytech Jun 2012 #117
I watched the video... it's not cut-and-dried to me renate Jun 2012 #119
So what if one of the guys said he could go back in the house and get a gun? pnwmom Jun 2012 #126
well, sure--this is why stand your ground laws are bullshit renate Jun 2012 #150
It should never be a defense when you're standing in someone else's driveway, pnwmom Jun 2012 #153
Reasonable and imminent dpibel Jun 2012 #160
How exactly do you "stand your ground" by taking a weapon onto toddwv Jun 2012 #148
SYG while standing in someone else's driveway? Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #133
He doesn't stand a chance with that defense. JoeyT Jun 2012 #169
If he thought his neighbor was dangerous Ilsa Jun 2012 #176
It's likely that he will be convicted. The MSM is reporting things which are at odds with the video AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #177
I watched the same video you did and I saw no one threaten him at all. pnwmom Jun 2012 #191
He shined a flashlight in their eyes? KansDem Jun 2012 #200
"Former neighbors, union: Rodriguez 'always paranoid'" boppers Jun 2012 #185
Here we go...Just as I'd been saying all along... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #203
They voted him out of the union rather than guiding him to get treatment for a mental disorder? slackmaster Jun 2012 #218
I'm interested to know more about that... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #230
Yes. I've seen a lot of people go untreated because friends and family got tired of their crap. slackmaster Jun 2012 #231
however, friends don't let mentally unbalanced friends own guns wordpix Jun 2012 #269
Mentally unbalanced people often don't have friends. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #271
I'm sure the teacher had a gold tooth. U4ikLefty Jun 2012 #187
I am certain that if everyone involved was packing heat and using their 2nd ammendment rights (sic) grantcart Jun 2012 #210
Nah, you'd have a 21st-century version of the "O.K. Corral" KansDem Jun 2012 #260
So, let me get this straight... Tommykun Jun 2012 #219
The only part that isn't quite right -- pnwmom Jun 2012 #237
I'm just not surprised by this backaroo LanternWaste Jun 2012 #222
Fucking GUn Nuts just looking and hoping for a chance to shoot someone JI7 Jun 2012 #247
I don't even have to watch the video to know this man should be publically hung. Unite2DefeatGOP Jun 2012 #279
Welcome to DU! Fumesucker Jun 2012 #291
I don't think "Stand Your Ground" works as a defense when your ground is the victim's driveway. yellowcanine Jun 2012 #302
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