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74. Whether or not we are permitted judgement,

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:08 PM

Dec 2011

do you believe we have the right to invade or attack a country because we judge the culture to be appalling and inhumane? I know, off topic, but I'm curious.

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Afghan girl's 'horrifying abuse' exposed by video [View all] Little Star Dec 2011 OP

There is no love lost between me and Islamic cultures. The things women go through in those Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #1

I agree, but some here will argue otherwise. demosincebirth Dec 2011 #2

I agree, but I also think many of these situations are individuals, not entire religious groups. Gregorian Dec 2011 #4

It's still a 'tribal' thing... some tribes are profoundly anti-woman... others not so JCMach1 Jan 2012 #104

Exactly. +1 nt riderinthestorm Dec 2011 #6

Yes, I know, but I don't care. A a feminist, I get sick to my stomach when I see Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #14

All Islamic cultures or just the fundamentalist ones? I guess FLDS and some fundie Indian cultures uppityperson Dec 2011 #13

Fundies can kiss my @$$. But if they start to marry off 14 year olds... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #15

FLDS. Hence the "F". uppityperson Dec 2011 #16

I consider the FLDS to be Islamic culture with a twist. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #17

FLDS are not Islamic at all. You seem to be missing the point. yardwork Dec 2011 #23

They are like Islamic cultures - women need permission from males, Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #26

That is incorrect and a slur on Islam. The vast majority of Muslims don't act this way. yardwork Dec 2011 #30

As a matter of fact, I do. An Islamic family is a client of mine. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #31

A sample size of one. yardwork Dec 2011 #32

I've read plenty, and more importantly, I've read just about enough about the Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #33

If you are sincere in your concern for women being dominated and abused by men, then you yardwork Dec 2011 #34

Oh give me a f break. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #35

+1000 DeSwiss Dec 2011 #49

Perhaps it's a question of scale and frequency? MH1 Dec 2011 #46

The fact that extreme fundamentalist Islam has been encouraged to spread yardwork Dec 2011 #79

There is no equivalence to Christians and Jews DissedByBush Dec 2011 #48

Exactly! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #51

My family knows a Kuwaiti woman DissedByBush Dec 2011 #47

I don't blame them. Once a woman tastes what freedom is, if she can, she's out of there Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #54

You are confusing Middle Eastern drmeow Dec 2011 #70

Sorry. I will not take exceptions. I understand there are exceptions. However, as a whole Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #71

Here we go with the cultural relativism bullshit - again! riderinthestorm Dec 2011 #77

Indeed, chervilant Jan 2012 #100

While I understand your frustration at anyone painting with a broad brush, I think Sarah DID say AllyCat Dec 2011 #52

Thanks! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #55

Saying that bigotry is "like Islamic" means that the poster thinks that all Muslim people are bigots yardwork Dec 2011 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author Occupy_2012 Dec 2011 #24

I know some Bible-banging fundies who are ready to bang their Bibles in my ear... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Occupy_2012 Dec 2011 #27

Why do you insist on repeatedly a2liberal Dec 2011 #45

You can call me a bigot all you like if it gives you pleasure. However, I will NEVER, EVER Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #56

And the Muslim men who DON'T oppress women? booley Jan 2012 #101

Actually, there's a fundamentalist Charismatic Christian church a couple blocks from my home, crim son Dec 2011 #73

You need to look outside of your box a little more Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #85

I don't care what exceptions there might be. The rule is that Islamic countries have a domination Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #86

Oh for goodness' sakes Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author Occupy_2012 Dec 2011 #39

They're the rule, right? Christian women in the U.S. are walking around covered head to foot Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #88

There are tens of thousands of churches like that. Not in your economic class. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #83

More exceptions. Oh lordy. I'm not interested in exceptions to the rule. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #87

You should visit a Muslim country and see for yourself. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #89

I have and I did. What now? nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #91

Then you should know that Islam is no different than Judaism and Christianity. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #92

I think you clearly failed to read my previous posts. Read them. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #94

No, I read them Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #95

Then why do you choose this case of brutality to make your case against Islam? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #96

May I ask you a personal question? JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #98

Very creepy! libmom74 Jan 2012 #93

+1000 Taverner Dec 2011 #19

This is not ISLAMIC. This is a family of PIMPS. McCamy Taylor Dec 2011 #20

I'm not even talking about the PIMPING. You know that. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #21

Right on, Sarah - the abuse of women and girls has been tolerated too long! RueVoltaire Dec 2011 #22

You said it perfectly. I'm tired of people defending this because we must respect a religion Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #57

I'm with you 100%. emilyg Dec 2011 #36

Thanks! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #37

Me too. I'm up too late to contribute much beyond a +1. But I stand with you. nt riderinthestorm Dec 2011 #38

Thank you. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #58

I'm with the both of you... BadtotheboneBob Dec 2011 #69

I like your words - and emilyg Dec 2011 #81

Many Muslim women do choose to wear head dress booley Jan 2012 #102

It makes you want to rush out and ask the Taliban to rejoin government. n/t [sarcasism] 24601 Dec 2011 #43

I don't see much difference. Until Islamic cultures change their male domination, they will Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #68

"Christians" are pretty good at all that stuff too. No one expects The Spanish Inquisition. librechik Dec 2011 #67

There is no excuse for a culture to justify treating Ilsa Dec 2011 #3

Many here would disagree... SkyDaddy7 Dec 2011 #7

Whether or not we are permitted judgement, crim son Dec 2011 #74

Well, in general NO...But... SkyDaddy7 Dec 2011 #82

You know that horrifying child abuse happens here as well abelenkpe Dec 2011 #8

This was a 14-yer-old married off to a 30-year-old who was beaten by the family of her new husband REP Dec 2011 #9

Do you think arranged marriages don't happen here? abelenkpe Dec 2011 #66

ITA. It happens here too, and there is no excuse Ilsa Dec 2011 #11

Once again, people giving me exceptions as if these were the rule Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #59

That's because the U.S. is not a theocracy. If we were, we would be a fundamentalist Christian yardwork Jan 2012 #97

No... not anymore booley Jan 2012 #103

That is disgusting. And it's what religion allows. boston bean Dec 2011 #5

Thanks nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #61

Shameful. Brickbat Dec 2011 #10

Exactly. Just because it's a different culture or a different religion - I don't care either Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #62

These people are barbarians. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #12

there are republicans who would do this if limbaugh said it was okay certainot Dec 2011 #18

The treatment of women in some cultures really does constitute human rights abuse. Quantess Dec 2011 #28

agreed, and I would say that it is in most cultures Tumbulu Dec 2011 #40

Quantess, you said it beautifully - it goes beyond our desire to show respect to other cultures nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #63

The bible has some pretty horrible, archaic rules too... Kablooie Dec 2011 #41

It's a shame jbpdx Dec 2011 #42

Fundamentalist religion, of ANY kind, hifiguy Dec 2011 #44

I'm with you, but there are certainly degrees. Leniancy with this 'because it's a different culture' Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #64

Unfortunately true everywhere. India, China, Africa ... mainer Dec 2011 #50

Or warped individuals--like the Austrian man who Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #53

Again, Austria does not approve of the massacring of females. An exception is not the rule. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #65

My Best Friend Ran Away Because Her Father Said He Would Kill Her Mojeoux Dec 2011 #80

Just reading your OP is enough BootinUp Dec 2011 #60

k&r Liberal_in_LA Dec 2011 #72

Patriarchy chervilant Dec 2011 #75

Bravo, well said, a 10000 times recced. A brilliant post - thank you. nt riderinthestorm Dec 2011 #76

Excellent post, especially the part about the Republican wives. RebelOne Jan 2012 #90

Thank you for that. JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #99

See Rule Number One of Reporting News.. Stuart G Jan 2012 #84