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Nazi Victim’s Family Told to Return Artifact [View all] alp227 Jun 2012 OP

Figures, the family is unhappy Confusious Jun 2012 #1

But shouldn't it actually go back to Iraq? The Germans, after all, took what 1monster Jun 2012 #5

I agree: it belongs in Iraq from where it was origionaly looted .... I mean 'collected'. marble falls Jun 2012 #11

Now see reply #15 below. dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #22

"it was all he had left" ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #13

Seems to me, if that were so, Confusious Jun 2012 #24

how do you know what his choices were? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #27

Well, Confusious Jun 2012 #28

it seems to me ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #30

How he got it doesn't matter Confusious Jun 2012 #32

I don't presume ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #33

There are a lot of things I wouldn't presume either Confusious Jun 2012 #34

including ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #41

Nothing that has happened to you Ken Burch Jun 2012 #80

You seem to want to blame entire countries Confusious Jun 2012 #83

If you took something that had once been in a U.S. military museum Ken Burch Jun 2012 #86

The museum should have left it at a polite respect for the artifact's return Ken Burch Jun 2012 #54

Your argument about the "humanity" is bull Confusious Jun 2012 #64

If Germany is pay MORE reparations. it shouldn't pay them just to Israel Ken Burch Jun 2012 #67

The reason the museum found out is because Confusious Jun 2012 #69

It goes without saying that when the family called Ken Burch Jun 2012 #79

If you look it up on the web Confusious Jun 2012 #81

So it was the Russian soldier that was the thief...NOT Mr. Flamenbaum. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #85

As I said before Confusious Jun 2012 #87

I hope when they return the tablet Ken Burch Jun 2012 #2

Why? Confusious Jun 2012 #35

Why are you so seemingly pissed off at the holocaust survivors? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #38

You completely missread everything Confusious Jun 2012 #39

I think your indignancy is overblown, and missplaced. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #40

Just out of curiousity Confusious Jun 2012 #44

Yes. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #45

You said below that they should keep it Confusious Jun 2012 #47

I'm not claiming to be Walt Whitman, but I reserve the right to contradict myself from time to time. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #50

Yea, and I noticed you didn't quote the part Confusious Jun 2012 #65

So is saying, as that poster was saying that "it's property theft and that's all that matters". Ken Burch Jun 2012 #53

I'm just not feeling the outrage. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #57

There's a difference between stealing from the oppressed Ken Burch Jun 2012 #52

There was no oppresser in this Confusious Jun 2012 #66

And if they'd asked the Flamenbaums politely and respecfully, with an acknowledgment Ken Burch Jun 2012 #68

They did. The family didn't want to give it up Confusious Jun 2012 #70

I thought "cultural patrimony" was essentially what YOU were talking about. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #71

There wasn't. The museum owns the piece. Confusious Jun 2012 #72

The bad behavior was the Ottomans stealing the damn thing from the Assyrians in the first place. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #73

Like I said, being informed isn't your forte is it? Confusious Jun 2012 #75

In any case, the Ottomans themselves just stole the damn thing. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #76

Can't really steal something that's in your own territory Confusious Jun 2012 #78

The point stands, though Ken Burch Jun 2012 #82

So nobody ever owns anything Confusious Jun 2012 #84

I'll try this again so you understand. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #88

It's scary that you don't see the difference Ken Burch Jun 2012 #42

What I see Confusious Jun 2012 #43

If it's about returning it to the rightful owners Ken Burch Jun 2012 #46

If you had read below Confusious Jun 2012 #48

The OTTOMAN EMPIRE? Ken Burch Jun 2012 #51

No, it seems you are Confusious Jun 2012 #63

"my family was put into camps, starved & murdered... and all I got was this lousy gold tablet" Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #3

theft is theft dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #4

According to the article, the artifact was found in Iraq. Wasn't it stealing for the Germans 1monster Jun 2012 #6

That could be said dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #7

the Assyrians? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #14

I agree. It should be returned to Assyria immediately. Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #19

How did the museum come to know that this guy had it? Wabbajack_ Jun 2012 #8

How they knew is immaterial. What is material is if the item was stolen from the museam then it cstanleytech Jun 2012 #9

Why wasn't it their business? marble falls Jun 2012 #12

Cause it's not Wabbajack_ Jun 2012 #89

situational ethics? marble falls Jun 2012 #91

So what are you hiding in your closet snooper2 Jun 2012 #16

The family wanted a price check and called the museum. Confusious Jun 2012 #49

So, all the talk about "sentiment" and "surviving" was just about money? boppers Jun 2012 #56

If I were the family, I'd pull a PR stunt that would probably get them in the good graces of zbdent Jun 2012 #10

There was no iraq at the time it was discovered Confusious Jun 2012 #37

Property uber alles. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #55

What a blowhard! MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #59

Why this tablet should be returned. Assyriologisticks Jun 2012 #15

Thanks for enlightening us.. virgdem Jun 2012 #17

Wow...excellent background info. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #18

Thanks for the very informative post and welcome to DU.... xocet Jun 2012 #20

Much appreciated. dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #21

Welcome to DU lunatica Jun 2012 #23

Thanks but I see a hink in the court ruling azurnoir Jun 2012 #26

Actual Opinion happyslug Jun 2012 #92

Why does the first world get to decide who is stable enough to return mational treasures or have ... marble falls Jun 2012 #29

The problem is Confusious Jun 2012 #36

This was an INHERITANCE case, the court had to decide who gets the tablet happyslug Jun 2012 #95

great info! frylock Jun 2012 #31

Very well put, thank you for such a well written post! now for my 2 cents in response to subject. AmericanGI Jun 2012 #58

uh oh, looks like we have another Nazi appeaser in the house! MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #60

You win the thread! Welcome to DU. freshwest Jun 2012 #62

Beautiful first post! Xipe Totec Jun 2012 #77

I agree that the issue of his being a Holocaust survivor is irrelevant to the case. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #90

See my post below for the actual opinion of the Court happyslug Jun 2012 #94

Interesting case will be awaiting the final outcome azurnoir Jun 2012 #25

Why wouldn't they have to return it? It never belonged to them. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #61

It never truly belonged to the Germans or the Ottomans, either. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #74

So do you want the Daughter or the Son to get the tablet???? happyslug Jun 2012 #93

I don't care which of them gets it. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #96

Under US Law, theft NEVER gives good title happyslug Jun 2012 #98

They should probably just cut it into three pieces. bluedigger Jun 2012 #97