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Confusious

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47. You said below that they should keep it
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:11 PM
Jun 2012

you didn't mean that?

I'm not fulminating, just expressing distaste with their attempts at holding onto the object when they know the circumstances of it's origin.

60 years is a long time to misplace an object. I could give a lot of leeway to a lot of things. Not to this.

Figures, the family is unhappy Confusious Jun 2012 #1
But shouldn't it actually go back to Iraq? The Germans, after all, took what 1monster Jun 2012 #5
I agree: it belongs in Iraq from where it was origionaly looted .... I mean 'collected'. marble falls Jun 2012 #11
Now see reply #15 below. dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #22
"it was all he had left" ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #13
Seems to me, if that were so, Confusious Jun 2012 #24
how do you know what his choices were? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #27
Well, Confusious Jun 2012 #28
it seems to me ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #30
How he got it doesn't matter Confusious Jun 2012 #32
I don't presume ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #33
There are a lot of things I wouldn't presume either Confusious Jun 2012 #34
including ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #41
Nothing that has happened to you Ken Burch Jun 2012 #80
You seem to want to blame entire countries Confusious Jun 2012 #83
If you took something that had once been in a U.S. military museum Ken Burch Jun 2012 #86
The museum should have left it at a polite respect for the artifact's return Ken Burch Jun 2012 #54
Your argument about the "humanity" is bull Confusious Jun 2012 #64
If Germany is pay MORE reparations. it shouldn't pay them just to Israel Ken Burch Jun 2012 #67
The reason the museum found out is because Confusious Jun 2012 #69
It goes without saying that when the family called Ken Burch Jun 2012 #79
If you look it up on the web Confusious Jun 2012 #81
So it was the Russian soldier that was the thief...NOT Mr. Flamenbaum. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #85
As I said before Confusious Jun 2012 #87
I hope when they return the tablet Ken Burch Jun 2012 #2
Why? Confusious Jun 2012 #35
Why are you so seemingly pissed off at the holocaust survivors? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #38
You completely missread everything Confusious Jun 2012 #39
I think your indignancy is overblown, and missplaced. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #40
Just out of curiousity Confusious Jun 2012 #44
Yes. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #45
You said below that they should keep it Confusious Jun 2012 #47
I'm not claiming to be Walt Whitman, but I reserve the right to contradict myself from time to time. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #50
Yea, and I noticed you didn't quote the part Confusious Jun 2012 #65
So is saying, as that poster was saying that "it's property theft and that's all that matters". Ken Burch Jun 2012 #53
I'm just not feeling the outrage. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #57
There's a difference between stealing from the oppressed Ken Burch Jun 2012 #52
There was no oppresser in this Confusious Jun 2012 #66
And if they'd asked the Flamenbaums politely and respecfully, with an acknowledgment Ken Burch Jun 2012 #68
They did. The family didn't want to give it up Confusious Jun 2012 #70
I thought "cultural patrimony" was essentially what YOU were talking about. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #71
There wasn't. The museum owns the piece. Confusious Jun 2012 #72
The bad behavior was the Ottomans stealing the damn thing from the Assyrians in the first place. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #73
Like I said, being informed isn't your forte is it? Confusious Jun 2012 #75
In any case, the Ottomans themselves just stole the damn thing. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #76
Can't really steal something that's in your own territory Confusious Jun 2012 #78
The point stands, though Ken Burch Jun 2012 #82
So nobody ever owns anything Confusious Jun 2012 #84
I'll try this again so you understand. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #88
It's scary that you don't see the difference Ken Burch Jun 2012 #42
What I see Confusious Jun 2012 #43
If it's about returning it to the rightful owners Ken Burch Jun 2012 #46
If you had read below Confusious Jun 2012 #48
The OTTOMAN EMPIRE? Ken Burch Jun 2012 #51
No, it seems you are Confusious Jun 2012 #63
"my family was put into camps, starved & murdered... and all I got was this lousy gold tablet" Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #3
theft is theft dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #4
According to the article, the artifact was found in Iraq. Wasn't it stealing for the Germans 1monster Jun 2012 #6
That could be said dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #7
the Assyrians? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #14
I agree. It should be returned to Assyria immediately. Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #19
How did the museum come to know that this guy had it? Wabbajack_ Jun 2012 #8
How they knew is immaterial. What is material is if the item was stolen from the museam then it cstanleytech Jun 2012 #9
Why wasn't it their business? marble falls Jun 2012 #12
Cause it's not Wabbajack_ Jun 2012 #89
situational ethics? marble falls Jun 2012 #91
So what are you hiding in your closet snooper2 Jun 2012 #16
The family wanted a price check and called the museum. Confusious Jun 2012 #49
So, all the talk about "sentiment" and "surviving" was just about money? boppers Jun 2012 #56
If I were the family, I'd pull a PR stunt that would probably get them in the good graces of zbdent Jun 2012 #10
There was no iraq at the time it was discovered Confusious Jun 2012 #37
Property uber alles. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #55
What a blowhard! MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #59
Why this tablet should be returned. Assyriologisticks Jun 2012 #15
Thanks for enlightening us.. virgdem Jun 2012 #17
Wow...excellent background info. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #18
Thanks for the very informative post and welcome to DU.... xocet Jun 2012 #20
Much appreciated. dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #21
Welcome to DU lunatica Jun 2012 #23
Thanks but I see a hink in the court ruling azurnoir Jun 2012 #26
Actual Opinion happyslug Jun 2012 #92
Why does the first world get to decide who is stable enough to return mational treasures or have ... marble falls Jun 2012 #29
The problem is Confusious Jun 2012 #36
This was an INHERITANCE case, the court had to decide who gets the tablet happyslug Jun 2012 #95
great info! frylock Jun 2012 #31
Very well put, thank you for such a well written post! now for my 2 cents in response to subject. AmericanGI Jun 2012 #58
uh oh, looks like we have another Nazi appeaser in the house! MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #60
You win the thread! Welcome to DU. freshwest Jun 2012 #62
Beautiful first post! Xipe Totec Jun 2012 #77
I agree that the issue of his being a Holocaust survivor is irrelevant to the case. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #90
See my post below for the actual opinion of the Court happyslug Jun 2012 #94
Interesting case will be awaiting the final outcome azurnoir Jun 2012 #25
Why wouldn't they have to return it? It never belonged to them. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #61
It never truly belonged to the Germans or the Ottomans, either. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #74
So do you want the Daughter or the Son to get the tablet???? happyslug Jun 2012 #93
I don't care which of them gets it. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #96
Under US Law, theft NEVER gives good title happyslug Jun 2012 #98
They should probably just cut it into three pieces. bluedigger Jun 2012 #97
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