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52. Well, we "cherish" objectivity
Wed May 30, 2012, 07:09 AM
May 2012

or at least see it as a worthwhile goal, while (hopefully) recognizing that a pure version of it will never be achieved, because it allows (among other things) you and me to judge that the views of those male doctors were NOT particularly objective, or correct. Science and scientists have been wrong about many things for many reasons down through history. The gathering of knowledge is a process rife with human biases and prejudices, but by making it a collective and ongoing enterprise, individual and group biases can gradually be filtered out, leaving improved and useful knowledge behind.

And yes, as I already recognized, some "experts"are less than expert, and some experts misuse their knowledge or their veneer of expertise. In going on at length about this, neither you nor Zinn are revealing anything particularly new. Some experts lie. Some moderately and marginally competent people lie as well. What of it? What alternative do you or Zinn offer? Does this mean we should wish that experts and expertise didn't exist? Or just that we wish people were better and more honest? Or that people should improve their critical thinking skills? Again, duh...but don't hold your breath.

"We were frankly kind of startled," awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #1
+1 Baitball Blogger May 2012 #10
Fish can swim long distances. Who knew? n/t Catherina May 2012 #37
"Startled" isn't quite the word I'm feeling here. Sabriel May 2012 #2
I asked an expert on Pacific fish indivisibleman May 2012 #6
"Tuna...it comes pre-cooked!" n/t Sabriel May 2012 #7
good one, I'll use that. indivisibleman May 2012 #54
It's safe to eat how much tuna? JDPriestly May 2012 #16
exactly. indivisibleman May 2012 #55
startled?? This is a researcher?? Autumn May 2012 #3
The article and his quote is edited ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #8
Here's a clue. Autumn May 2012 #12
So what's that do for the deep-sea fishing businesses and the tuna fleets off the west coast? Liberty Belle May 2012 #4
Hopefully the panic will shut down a lot of the fishing fleets due to a lack of demand. Nihil May 2012 #40
Bad enough that we eat everything on the planet... hunter May 2012 #50
The second round of testing should be interesting. Cesium is in our foodchain. Gregorian May 2012 #5
Radioactive cesium has been in the food chain since 1945. nt NickB79 May 2012 #28
Surely this report must be some kind of mistake! DeSwiss May 2012 #9
Howard Zinn really nailed it on the head... drokhole May 2012 #11
And I'm sure Zinn skepticscott May 2012 #15
Ironic, chervilant May 2012 #19
My tag line does not rely skepticscott May 2012 #23
I see the irony escapes you... n/t chervilant May 2012 #32
What apparently escapes you and Zinn skepticscott May 2012 #35
hmm... chervilant May 2012 #41
Now the irony escapes you again skepticscott May 2012 #42
Wow... chervilant May 2012 #45
I think Zinn has a point but he didn't make it very well. Peace Patriot May 2012 #51
Well, we "cherish" objectivity skepticscott May 2012 #52
I quite agree with Howard.... DeSwiss May 2012 #21
hmm... chervilant May 2012 #46
That certainly applies to economists. Prometheus Bound May 2012 #48
Actually yes it does, because what Obama said has turned out to be correct NickB79 May 2012 #25
No thank you, I always try to find tuna without cesium. At any level. DeSwiss May 2012 #30
Good luck with that. Radioactive cesium has been in food since 1945 NickB79 May 2012 #31
I'm a boomer. I know this. DeSwiss May 2012 #33
As safe as the airport scanning machines? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #38
I suppose everyone wants to ignore this bit: randome May 2012 #13
Panic is always more fun than reason. GliderGuider May 2012 #43
lling mere concern a "panic" is wonderfully illustrative of melodrama. LanternWaste May 2012 #53
That interferes with their goal of pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere jeff47 May 2012 #47
Experts will be along soon to tell us... RobertEarl May 2012 #14
And, that Tuna chervilant May 2012 #20
Yep RobertEarl May 2012 #22
NPR last week had a report that Tuna Harvest was Way Down....this report makes me wonder... KoKo May 2012 #17
It's really sad tawadi May 2012 #26
The reason fish harvests are falling isn't radiation GliderGuider May 2012 #44
That too...plus oil spills....the radiation is an additional problem up the food chain KoKo May 2012 #49
There is a safe-to-eat level of Cesium? Fucking radioactive CESIUM? MsPithy May 2012 #18
There's a safe-to-eat level for everything skepticscott May 2012 #24
+1. nt NickB79 May 2012 #27
Pfft! You young'ns worry too much - why back in the day we hedgehog May 2012 #29
If you're old enough, you may remember the shoe stores that had x-ray machines to make sure AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #39
I wonder what this says about levels in smaller fish, squid etc eaten there and along the journey suffragette May 2012 #34
At least DUer Robdogbucky and I called it 9 months ago: (LINKS) Poll_Blind May 2012 #36
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