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Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:36 PM

Dec 2015

Too many people that have access to guns should not be having access to them.

The law requires that to carry a gun a person must show a "good reason to fear injury to his or her person or property" or another "proper reason for carrying a pistol."

That works in Canada. There is no reason it can't or won't work here. Absolutely none.

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Good. -none Dec 2015 #1

May issue was how blacks were disarmed in the South hack89 Dec 2015 #2

So what? -none Dec 2015 #3

So what? .... sarisataka Dec 2015 #4

So we are just supposed to do nothing and let the massacres continue? -none Dec 2015 #6

No. We are just supposed to find solutions that are fair, unbiased and constitutional. hack89 Dec 2015 #8

I have proposed, many times, sarisataka Dec 2015 #10

So would random home inspections be allowed, or is everything you propose just hot air? Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #20

"(R)andom home inspections"? Absolutely not. It seems that you want to dump the Fourth Amendment... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #29

I would find it reasonable for the government to require that people have gun safes and trigger... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #31

It doesn't matter. What you propose is still a gross violation of the Fourth Amendment... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #33

Why? It would only be checking up on status of and use of the safes and weapons... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #34

What part of 'probable cause' are you having trouble comprehending? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #35

The probable cause would be owning the guns and gun safes. Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #36

Gun ownership is not, in and of itself, a crime- so, again, no friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #38

Oh damn, I'm debating a capital L libertarian. No further discussion possible. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #41

No, you're debating a Democrat who disagrees with you friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #68

Where are police conducting vehicle safety checks at a person's home? The equivalent of a stopping 24601 Dec 2015 #54

Because we are talking about the inspection of equipment that's installed in the home... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #56

The inspections are during construction/installation. But once the work is complete, the fire 24601 Dec 2015 #59

Not true, houses are reinspected when purchased and/or sold as well... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #61

Just sold and just bought a home. Have done so 4 times in the last 5 1/2 years. One red state 24601 Dec 2015 #63

Owning firearms is in no way comparable to freedom of expression or worship, that's a ridiculous... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #64

But you don't have to get a car inspected or registered christx30 Dec 2015 #66

You do bring up a good point, however, I see problems... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #77

"An interest". christx30 Dec 2015 #102

I love it when people stumble on the car comparison. OK, let's be like cars. My drivers license 24601 Dec 2015 #99

I can't believe that I'm reading this shit on a liberal board. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #72

I have a question, is a gun-free society so frightening to you? Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #82

A gun free society? GGJohn Dec 2015 #85

What if long rifles were left alone, if we followed, roughly the Canadian model. Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #87

No, I would not agree to that. GGJohn Dec 2015 #89

YOU think it's a privilege, while the Constitution, the SCOTUS, GGJohn Dec 2015 #71

Are any of those infallible? Also, I didn't say the police would be involved, and again... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #75

Bullshit! GGJohn Dec 2015 #78

So emotional, and over the possession of an inanimate object with few uses, why? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #80

Few uses? GGJohn Dec 2015 #81

I know they are good for hunting, not so good for self protection... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #84

There are literally thousands of instances of firearms being used for self defense, GGJohn Dec 2015 #88

And there are scientific studies that indicate that you are many times more likely to be the... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #90

Those "scientific" studies, those were mainly funded by the Joyce Foundation, GGJohn Dec 2015 #93

I linked to a meta-analysis that is apparently independent of both, though does source Hemenway.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #94

I have no problem with home inspection sarisataka Dec 2015 #30

I don't consider gun ownership a right, it sounds ridiculous to me, its a hobby that... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #32

"I don't consider gun ownership a right" The Supreme Court and over 80 million Americans *do*... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #37

I'm trying to change the narrative, we have so many myths surrounding firearms that people... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #39

You have just stated the purpose sarisataka Dec 2015 #40

Its about as relevent as the 3rd amendment. The others are still useful... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #42

Yet the 3rd is still there... sarisataka Dec 2015 #43

Can you demonstrate where the 2nd amendment prevented government oppression at... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #45

We are still here, operating sarisataka Dec 2015 #48

I'm sorry, the fact you credit the 2nd amendment for that is laughable... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #50

I do not have the time for a disertation sarisataka Dec 2015 #51

So wait, we are supposed to tolerate having 10s of thousands of people die every year... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #52

Well if a law is the simple solution... sarisataka Dec 2015 #53

I would say you should need to justify why you need to own a firearm. Why do you need a gun? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #55

You can say that, but until your nomination as Secretary of Needs is confirmed by the Senate... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #69

It doesn't matter what you say, it's what the Constitution and the courts say, GGJohn Dec 2015 #74

Is there any justification sarisataka Dec 2015 #97

Actually, hunting and pest control seem effective, I really have a problem with handguns.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #98

The only reason that's applicable is the SCOTUS ruling it's an individual right GGJohn Dec 2015 #70

I'm sorry, but the "right" to gun ownership is in no way comparable to any other civil... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #73

And I'm not sorry that the SCOTUS and the majority of Americans disagree with you . eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #76

True, and that's fine, what I find interesting is that gun ownership is declining... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #79

Firearm ownership is declining according to whom? GGJohn Dec 2015 #83

It varies from a 41% to around a third, and I've seen people here say its 80 million.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #86

Pres. Obama commissioned the CDC to do a study on firearm violence in 2013, GGJohn Dec 2015 #91

I did, and the study said no such thing, it said those numbers were suspect... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #92

It most certainly did say that DGU's were as frequent and the criminal use of a firearm. GGJohn Dec 2015 #95

Here's the full excerpt, rather than the edited version you have: Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #96

The bad guys already have guns TeddyR Dec 2015 #5

Of course the bad guys have guns. -none Dec 2015 #9

You are talking about straw purchases TeddyR Dec 2015 #12

When they are bought for the purpose of transporting to places where they are restricted, -none Dec 2015 #14

"Stop the interstate shipment of illegal weapons" EX500rider Dec 2015 #17

No I am not. -none Dec 2015 #44

You don't seem to understand straw purchases.. EX500rider Dec 2015 #60

I understand straw purchases quite well. -none Dec 2015 #101

So the answer is to give cops and the government the power to discriminate based on personal bias? hack89 Dec 2015 #7

Did you check with the NRA for that talking point before posting? -none Dec 2015 #11

I agree. But any solution has to be fair, unbiased and constitutional hack89 Dec 2015 #13

We agree on something here. -none Dec 2015 #15

No. If you meet the legal requirements you get your permit no questions asked. hack89 Dec 2015 #16

That's true, and a good reason to repeal the 2nd amendment.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #21

That's nice hack89 Dec 2015 #22

True, but that should be introduced into the conversation, unlike other anachronistic amendments.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #23

Not really - the 2A allows most of what you want hack89 Dec 2015 #24

And all perfectly useless in most cases anyways... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #25

Then find enough people that believe as you do hack89 Dec 2015 #26

I'm trying, that's the point of speaking out, is it not? Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #27

Only if there is a demonstrable need. -none Dec 2015 #46

No. That is the beauty of civil rights. hack89 Dec 2015 #57

I would say that's the fault of our society, owning guns should have to be justified, and not... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #65

Until you repeal the 2A owning guns is a civil right. hack89 Dec 2015 #67

To be clear TeddyR Dec 2015 #28

How can you have no gun stores in DC, but have federally licensed firearms dealer in DC to pick -none Dec 2015 #49

No TeddyR Dec 2015 #58

OK, that explains that. -none Dec 2015 #100

Consitutional azureblue Dec 2015 #18

You need to catch up with modern legal jurisprudence. hack89 Dec 2015 #19

There is simply TeddyR Dec 2015 #47

My understanding is that the amendment.... PosterChild Dec 2015 #62