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magical thyme

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98. Not necessarily

Thu May 17, 2012, 02:57 PM

May 2012

another thread here describes someone who was being followed, who called the police on her cell phone. There were there within a minute, and her follower was arrested.

Seeming to follow somebody while minding your own business while you happen to go the same way is not the same thing as chasing somebody.

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Trayvon Martin killed by single gunshot fired from 'intermediate range,' autopsy shows [View all] shawn703 May 2012 OP

how far is that? warrior1 May 2012 #1

from a google search on forensic & intermediate range HereSince1628 May 2012 #4

1 centimeter to four feet obamanut2012 May 2012 #8

That's a pretty big spread backtomn May 2012 #22

I know! obamanut2012 May 2012 #26

4 feet is still pretty damned close tech_smythe May 2012 #41

In this case bec May 2012 #54

I just googled it too...got something different Demoiselle May 2012 #71

Gawd -- I got mine from a forensics site, too obamanut2012 May 2012 #72

you betcha. robinlynne May 2012 #76

1 cm seems *awfully* small to classify as "intermediate." magical thyme May 2012 #85

That's what she said alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #87

Here is a good read NoGOPZone May 2012 #27

Great PDF... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #29

1" to 18" according to a retired NYC coroner magical thyme May 2012 #89

a likely broken nose? 2pooped2pop May 2012 #2

maybe, maybe not Gman May 2012 #5

Yeah but if you kill someone and rely on self-defense, you take a damn x-ray to prove Solomon May 2012 #108

Usually it is done, but it is not usually necessary elias7 May 2012 #34

This may be assault, and possibly justification for self-defense with a deadly weapon. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #42

It would be, except that Zimmerman will have to explain why he left the area around JDPriestly May 2012 #45

ONLY if he had not been stalking Trayvon. jwirr May 2012 #64

One man's stalking is another man's investigating. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #109

Yes and not all have the authority to investigate. Neighborhood Watch does not make you an jwirr May 2012 #110

He *was* not, IS not, and never will be a part of any official Neighborhood watch. nt LaydeeBug May 2012 #112

I am aware of that and that makes my statement even truer. jwirr May 2012 #114

Look, I'm waiting for the courts to settle all the evidence. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #115

I guess I live in a different world than you do. I would not dream of confronting a stranger just jwirr May 2012 #117

I confronted a black man who walked into my workplace about an hour ago slackmaster May 2012 #118

That is not confronting - that is greeting. GZ chased Trayvon - that is confronting. In my jwirr May 2012 #119

Sun Tsu said, in The Art of War, "Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance... slackmaster May 2012 #120

Agreed. jwirr May 2012 #121

And that is the key to this situation. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #123

Not everone can or is expected to rise to the occasion. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #122

I live in a low crime area and many people in this community take walks around the community for jwirr May 2012 #124

intermediate range seasons101 May 2012 #74

Two black eyes, a likely broken nose -- and abrasions on his forehead. JDPriestly May 2012 #50

not true BigD_95 May 2012 #90

we know that Martin was NOT a problem kid magical thyme May 2012 #94

I don't think you can follow someone who is where he lawfully is entitled to be JDPriestly May 2012 #101

even if they x-ray magical thyme May 2012 #91

Nope quakerboy May 2012 #116

This Family Physician like Joe Oliver ? JI7 May 2012 #3

a foot? five feet? ten feet?? Blue_Tires May 2012 #6

Well within what layfolk would call "point blank range." (nt) Posteritatis May 2012 #14

intermediate is 1" - 18" per former NYC coroner nt magical thyme May 2012 #96

Intermediate range. MrSlayer May 2012 #7

I would imagine that the actual distance would depend on how much powder etc is there. I hope jwirr May 2012 #65

Interesting Zimmerman's are from a personal physican obamanut2012 May 2012 #9

Exactly. BS. peacebird May 2012 #11

if it is true he will definitely have taken photos! robinlynne May 2012 #77

His personal physicians report a day later says... Wtf? Georgie got his dad to smack him perhaps, peacebird May 2012 #10

Or he had nothing at all obamanut2012 May 2012 #12

Not always true. AtheistCrusader May 2012 #49

Martin only had a 1/4 inch abrasion on his finger? WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2012 #13

+1 Baitball Blogger May 2012 #15

One. One single abrasion on his left ring finger. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #16

I get abrasions that size on my fingers all the time (From work) ck4829 May 2012 #18

That "Family Dr." Is in deep Shit.... Grassy Knoll May 2012 #21

That Abrasion Could Have Been The Result DallasNE May 2012 #28

He must've hit zimmy with the package of skittles, right? uppityperson May 2012 #31

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2012 #35

That was my first thought too zeemike May 2012 #69

you're assuming the report of those injuries is true... progressivebydesign May 2012 #78

I'd love to see someone do a graphic of that. Nine May 2012 #38

The abrasion could have come when Trayvon Martin fell. JDPriestly May 2012 #46

Yes, Martin belonged to a secret Ninja society FogerRox May 2012 #70

CBS News reported tonight that they were "only inches apart" when Zimmerman fired his weapon. Major Hogwash May 2012 #17

"You shot me" makes more sense than "you got me." Bolo Boffin May 2012 #19

That does make more sense. Major Hogwash May 2012 #23

"all unsubstantiated rumors" - right, absolutely. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #24

Earlier, I heard that Zimmerman was standing, straddling Trayvon Martin. JDPriestly May 2012 #47

How would the autopsy and the police report know what a dead man said? Orangepeel May 2012 #59

I do not buy the "lying on his back with Trayvon staddling him". When Trayvon was shot did he bleed? jwirr May 2012 #66

Gunshot wounds do not fountain blood like in movies. PavePusher May 2012 #82

except this is a shot in the left ventricle magical thyme May 2012 #97

True, but... PavePusher May 2012 #102

I'm aware of the anatomy of the heart magical thyme May 2012 #104

Good discussion, and texshelters May 2012 #20

Zimmerman had every right to follow Martin BigD_95 May 2012 #92

Not necessarily magical thyme May 2012 #98

no he fucking did not fascisthunter May 2012 #105

Having the right doesn't make it right texshelters May 2012 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author texshelters Jun 2012 #125

Gee, Zimmerman said Martin was reaching for his gun, but... CreekDog May 2012 #25

intermediate range mactime May 2012 #36

yeah i see that now from yours and other posts, thanks for correction CreekDog May 2012 #37

I want to see the trajectory of the bullet... Hectic Eclectic May 2012 #30

Seeds of "reasonable doubt" are being planted. -..__... May 2012 #32

How so? intheflow May 2012 #61

The assumption that a police dispatcher's suggestion carries any legal weight is one aspect... slackmaster May 2012 #62

I do not think it makes any difference if the dispatcher had authority. It shows that gz was in jwirr May 2012 #68

An armed man following an unarmed, innocent man is provocation. intheflow May 2012 #95

Yes, but we don't know when it became apparent that Z was armed slackmaster May 2012 #100

Zimmerman claimed in his hearing that Martin was circling his car magical thyme May 2012 #99

Fact: Zimmerman was in his rights to follow Martin BigD_95 May 2012 #93

NOT FACT... just your biased OPINION fascisthunter May 2012 #106

Right now... -..__... May 2012 #103

again, it seems facts and reality have a liberal bias. Suji to Seoul May 2012 #33

Well, he's going to trial caseymoz May 2012 #39

Unless the judge throws out the case leftynyc May 2012 #56

I realize that, but for now, it's okay. nt caseymoz May 2012 #113

Maybe the injuries Zimmerman has suffered is from Trayvon falling on him after Zimmerman shot him Thinkingabout May 2012 #40

The video we saw was black and white. You might not see the colors. JDPriestly May 2012 #48

what is a likely broken nose? maybe it is and maybe it is not? if my doctor told me that and didnt robinlynne May 2012 #43

I was told exactly that by a doctor once. She sent me to a radiology lab for a CAT scan. slackmaster May 2012 #58

exactly. If a doctor thinks you have a broken bone, you get an xray. the docotr needs to know if it robinlynne May 2012 #75

I believe that if I had declined the CAT scan my medical record would show something like that slackmaster May 2012 #80

"a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle" ZombieHorde May 2012 #44

Was Trayvon left or right handed? I doubt if I could break someone's sinkingfeeling May 2012 #63

I don't know. If he was frightened, then he may have been ZombieHorde May 2012 #81

Wasn't Martin Shot in the Back or the Back of His Head? solarman350 May 2012 #51

Absolutely what I was thinking! AynRandCollectedSS May 2012 #53

no, not the head - he was shot once in the chest Baclava May 2012 #57

"prepared by his [Zimmerman's] personal physician" Amster Dan May 2012 #52

+1 Have a hard time believing you could break someone's nose without even a bruise on ur hand n/t progressivebydesign May 2012 #79

Breaking someones nose is very easy. PavePusher May 2012 #83

I broke my own nose using only my face slackmaster May 2012 #84

I've used multiple items.... PavePusher May 2012 #88

'intermediate range,' ..... marble falls May 2012 #55

I concluded a long time ago that Zimmerman was in the wrong because he started the confrontation slackmaster May 2012 #60

Am I the only one who suspects that Zimmerman 'injured himself' Myrina May 2012 #67

You are far from alone. On other threads several interesting theories have been advanced. slackmaster May 2012 #73

I think the same thing! kristinrn Jun 2013 #126

Lets look at the two possible situation that may have occurred. happyslug May 2012 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author janx May 2012 #107