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hack89

(39,171 posts)
34. If the Greek people really cared to make something good out of it
Wed May 16, 2012, 02:20 PM
May 2012

then they shouldn't make tax evasion a national sport.

According to a remarkable presentation that a member of Greece’s central bank gave last fall, the gap between what Greek taxpayers owed last year and what they paid was about a third of total tax revenue, roughly the size of the country’s budget deficit. The “shadow economy”—business that’s legal but off the books—is larger in Greece than in almost any other European country, accounting for an estimated 27.5 per cent of its G.D.P. (In the United States, by contrast, that number is closer to nine per cent.) And the culture of evasion has negative consequences beyond the current crisis. It means that the revenue burden falls too heavily on honest taxpayers. It makes the system unduly regressive, since the rich cheat more. And it’s wasteful: it forces the government to spend extra money on collection (relative to G.D.P., Greece spends four times as much collecting income taxes as the U.S. does), even as evaders are devoting plenty of time and energy to hiding their income.


Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2011/07/11/110711ta_talk_surowiecki#ixzz1uPEt42My
Going their own way. I hope it works out. nt DCKit May 2012 #1
Getting out of the Eurozone makes more sense than getting beaten down by EU banksters. n/t davidwparker May 2012 #49
the greek economy is already crushed rdking647 May 2012 #2
Well they could change their constitution and allow taxation of their shipping billionaires and they grantcart May 2012 #3
Suspect the shipping billionaires did a Romney long ago. Without income, what taxes on the others? freshwest May 2012 #4
All income from shipping, all dividend income and all capital gains on Greek Stock exchange have no grantcart May 2012 #42
Thanks very much, now I see why some in Europe are mad at them. They have been portrayed as victims. freshwest May 2012 #48
to add to the problem is that a lot of the money that is invested and that will disappear if Greece grantcart May 2012 #51
I am starting to see similar things here. We're all connected, it's both a blessing and a curse. freshwest May 2012 #55
The creation of a new currency is what triggered the Argentinian fiscal crisis hack89 May 2012 #5
That doesn't work either gmpierce May 2012 #7
Argentine govt budget is 17% of GDP, Greek 40% dmallind May 2012 #16
+1 davidwparker May 2012 #50
Time to confiscate and sell some of the billionaires land holdings. denverbill May 2012 #6
That solves nothing in the long term hack89 May 2012 #8
Just that would be worth it. salib May 2012 #10
The REAL Atlas IS shrugging. Psephos May 2012 #41
Perhaps they could seize all their assets if they tried to leave 4th law of robotics May 2012 #9
Hardly need to be so complicated salib May 2012 #11
A) we're not going to invade Greece, no matter what they do with their property 4th law of robotics May 2012 #12
They'll simply stop using the Euro and use their own currency harun May 2012 #19
The U.S. dollar is the world's reserve currency. former9thward May 2012 #27
That has it's own problems. 4th law of robotics May 2012 #36
I wasn't actually saying it was a solution. Just more nonsense and fake solutions. harun May 2012 #40
Gotcha 4th law of robotics May 2012 #46
Wow, fill us in on the conservative talking points salib May 2012 #32
That wealth is leaving Greece at a breakneck speed as we speak. hack89 May 2012 #13
Some are "trying their hardest to protect their moeny" more than others salib May 2012 #33
If the Greek people really cared to make something good out of it hack89 May 2012 #34
So, I guess that is a "no"? salib May 2012 #38
There is no sense of unity that I can see hack89 May 2012 #39
the Greek constitution protects all income from shipping from taxes. grantcart May 2012 #43
Talk like that is whats driving people to empty their bank accounts.. Maine23 May 2012 #47
That's only 3.88 times what Mitt Romney is worth. Suji to Seoul May 2012 #14
That much money every day will add up fast. nt hack89 May 2012 #15
That's $70 per capita. L. Coyote May 2012 #17
Prudent move. If Greece moves back to their own currency there'll likely be a major devaluation. n/t PoliticAverse May 2012 #18
Current tax receipts are less than current government expenditures FarCenter May 2012 #20
The other question... Xolodno May 2012 #21
If they are smart they would get the money out of Europe hack89 May 2012 #22
lol nt jakeXT May 2012 #24
There is a good reason yields on US treasuries are so low. nt hack89 May 2012 #25
I suspect... Xolodno May 2012 #26
There has been a surge in demand for US securities. hack89 May 2012 #28
So many believe that the US is still a safe haven.... Xolodno May 2012 #29
The rest of the world is on much shakier ground then we are. hack89 May 2012 #30
I don't have that kind of faith... Xolodno May 2012 #31
Michael Hudson: Banks Weren’t Meant to Be Like This jakeXT May 2012 #35
ECB Cuts Off Operations With Some Greek Banks jakeXT May 2012 #23
Umm ... oops? Nihil May 2012 #52
Anyone should get your money out of the Greek banks ASAP AngryAmish May 2012 #37
There are some serious idiots Thrill May 2012 #44
I don't think anybody is running anything. nt hack89 May 2012 #45
Short term it will be painful, but 18 months after leaving they will be just like Iceland Katashi_itto May 2012 #53
It took Iceland 3 years and billions of international financial assistance hack89 May 2012 #54
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