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ieoeja

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27. But they have maintained their sovereignty. That is all I am saying.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:12 PM
Aug 2015

I never said it was a "good" option. I just said it was doable. They could go communist (or fascist, we know that works too) and operate as a self contained entity.

This thread, lest we get too far off topic, is about people starving in Venezuela. Venezuela was exporting more food than they imported. They can certainly feed themselves.

If people are starving it is because the current model, capitalism, is not currently working for the country. You know perfectly well that capitalism works pretty darn good. It is my belief that it is not currently working in Venezuela because the United States and our allies are gaming the system not to work because Venezula nationalized the oil industry. Hence the two options: (1) unfettered capitalism or (2) totalitarianism (communist, fascist, whatever brand floats their boat).

And if they go the communist route, and if we are gaming the system as would be our normal response to the failed coup, it will be largely our fault for forcing them to the above 2 choices.

Which brings us back to Cuba! They only went full bore communist because we declared them our enemy. We've seen this picture before.


It is disgusting that this is allowed to happen Marrah_G Aug 2015 #1
We are doing it to them on purpose. ieoeja Aug 2015 #4
Or Maduro is an incompetent dolt running a corrupt regime. Throd Aug 2015 #5
you actually believe that... snooper2 Aug 2015 #6
Sigh leftynyc Aug 2015 #7
You seriously believe that after the failed coup attempt, we decided to do ... nothing? ieoeja Aug 2015 #8
Spare me leftynyc Aug 2015 #9
You think a government can christx30 Aug 2015 #10
So, what exactly are we doing that is causing Venezuela trouble? Freddie Stubbs Aug 2015 #21
Letting Maduro run the country. Dr. Strange Aug 2015 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #43
That's the irony, isn't it? Dr. Strange Aug 2015 #44
so our government is incompetent in other foreign intervention attempts but ninjas in VZ? Amishman Aug 2015 #33
"Cuba has proven that communism can work.." Comedy GOLD right there! 7962 Aug 2015 #12
They have suffered much. But they have also succeeded *as a sovereign nation*. ieoeja Aug 2015 #17
So has North Korea 7962 Aug 2015 #19
But they have maintained their sovereignty. That is all I am saying. ieoeja Aug 2015 #27
"because Venezuela nationalized the oil industry." EX500rider Aug 2015 #30
PDVSA was formed 40 years ago Recursion Aug 2015 #36
Actually no - Cuba realized how fucked they really were economically hack89 Aug 2015 #23
What specific actions are the US government taking that is causing Venezuela problems? Freddie Stubbs Aug 2015 #20
Don't work for the NSA. Of course, if I did I wouldn't admit it. I certainly wouldn't answer you. ieoeja Aug 2015 #22
Their currency problems are self inflicted hack89 Aug 2015 #24
FFS.. You know why businesses are avoiding VZ? Adrahil Aug 2015 #25
"We declared them our enemy." EX500rider Aug 2015 #31
We've been enemies with Iran for christx30 Aug 2015 #34
The Ven government implemented the price controls and exchange rate, not the US nt Bacchus4.0 Aug 2015 #35
Human beings, not specifically Americans. Marrah_G Aug 2015 #28
Yeah! Damn you George Bush! hughee99 Aug 2015 #42
Those poor people. With national wealth largely concentrated in the hands of a few, much of the Hortensis Aug 2015 #2
The most tragic thing is how they wasted oil windfalls. joshcryer Aug 2015 #3
And here goes another victim of the American foreign policy disaster, destroy rape and pillage. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #11
So its Obama's fault. Wow. 7962 Aug 2015 #13
This rash of American foreign policy started waaaaaaayyyyyyy before Obama. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #14
Well, Obama has been here for 7 yrs and Maduro for 2. 7962 Aug 2015 #15
With all the military involvement in the toppling of gvts all over the world, no doubt it's a spawn Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #29
They already send us their oil... EX500rider Aug 2015 #32
We already get their oil Recursion Aug 2015 #37
I remember Citgo. Chavez nationalized much of Venezuelas oil. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #38
No, Venezuela nationalized its oil in the 1970s Recursion Aug 2015 #39
Ok, privatization then. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #40
It's fuck all to do with US policy why they are running out of food whatthehey Aug 2015 #16
My biggest client is expanding all over Central and South America. Throd Aug 2015 #18
Hard to imagine why. nt COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #26
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