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Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:56 PM

38. Children are another group that put up with a lot of abuse, just to be a member of their family.

 

And males will take a lot of abuse to stay a member of what group they are in (this gangs have been known to get new members to kill someone, an act such males would normally reject, but to be a member of the gang they want to belong to, such new members will do as they are told).

Now, males tend to be "team players" and want other males in their group to belong. What I mean by that is not only will males conform to what the group want, the group will conform to what the majority wants. Thus male fashions rarely change (compared to female fashions), for women want to be seen as individuals, while we males tend to want to be seen as members of a group. Thus clean shave and short hair has been the norm for males since imposed on the Roman Soldiers under his command by Scipio Aficanus (the man who finally defeated Hannibal). It goes in and out of fashion (for example it was out of fashion in the 200s AD, but came back under Constantine in the 300s). It remained the norm among Catholic Priests to this day, but other men would see it come and go over the next 1700 years (With the big return under Napoleon and the French Revolution). Beards were the fashion in the 1860s, but gone by 1900. Short Hair disappeared during Vietnam (more as a rejection of the military effort in Vietnam then anything else) but returned by the 1980s. Clean shave and short hair has been the Standard dress of Western man since Scipio Aficanus (and like all standards are varied from but returned to).

You see the same in men's clothing. The Sewing Machine revolutionized clothing. What previously had taken days, could be done in minutes. Look at Abe Lincoln's dress, it could be worn today for today's male dress is NOT that much different. Labels may be different and the cut may be a little different, but as a whole it is the same (ties have also changed, but not that much compared to Women's ware). When you look at causal clothes, T-shirts and jeans were the male norm by WWI. We have few photos of men in such clothing for people dressed up for the photos of the time period (thus you have to look at formal dress to formal dress when comparing photos). On the other hand when you read of men actually working it is T-Shirts and Jeans or a Shirt and pants NOT a suit.

My point is we men tend to be very socialist, we want to belong to a group more then anything else. We will dress how that group wants us to look like so we can say by out dress what group we belong to. The most extreme version of this is the Military, but you see it on a lesser degree in most groups of men who are working together (and employment agencies tell male clients to dress like the people they are being interviewed by, to show they want to join that group by showing they will comply with whatever is the norm for dress in that group, female clients have a little bit more freedom when it come to dress, but not much).

You can see this is the debates, all of the men were in similar blue suits (Blue implies honestly) but the woman stood out in her gray suit (Gray implies power). A lot of women in similar situations will wear red, for it makes them stand out among that sea of men in blue (Men seeking elected office will NEVER wear red for they want to be seen as member of a group NOT as someone who is NOT a member of the group).

Side note: Men will wear red if all of the other men in their group wear red but then NOT to wear red is to stand out, something men avoid of they can.

Just a comment on males, we have our own hangups.

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