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When less western countries refuse austerity measures, they are on the fast trackto invasion/assault WingDinger May 2012 #1
Just who is going to assault them? nt hack89 May 2012 #3
As in South America, sluffing off the IMF strictures gets you branded commies, or terrists. WingDinger May 2012 #11
The IMF, it has long been asserted, is a neo-colonialist closeupready May 2012 #15
Whut? eom BlueCaliDem May 2012 #6
Invasion by whom? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #14
Germany has a track record of doing that. :P octothorpe May 2012 #171
It's time for Greece to pull an Argentina. marmar May 2012 #2
Invade the Falklands? nt hack89 May 2012 #4
Well, that's one way to rid yourself of colonial parasites. marmar May 2012 #38
and replace them with slightly earlier parasaites dmallind May 2012 #44
lol. <3 octothorpe May 2012 #172
or an Iceland ... TBF May 2012 #5
Implement IMF austerity measures and raises taxes in exchange for billions of dollars? nt hack89 May 2012 #9
Maybe read this interview with Iceland president Ólafur Ragnar - TBF May 2012 #12
Greece =/= Iceland 4th law of robotics May 2012 #16
Right ... TBF May 2012 #19
No, you can't compare the US to Greece either 4th law of robotics May 2012 #20
So? He says they needed billions of dollars from the IMF and Europe and ... hack89 May 2012 #22
Germany running Europe Again Thrill May 2012 #7
This is a good point. If Germany wasn't prepared closeupready May 2012 #23
The EU is the German Empire without the Kaiser. Odin2005 May 2012 #37
Germany isn't running Europe, but it's funding Europe tabasco May 2012 #66
All I can say is it looks like the Germans needed to find snappyturtle May 2012 #8
I suspect the Greek people wanted a lot of money with no conditions hack89 May 2012 #10
Blame the workers ... nice TBF May 2012 #13
Workers? No. Voters? Absolutely 4th law of robotics May 2012 #21
Crazy talk ... nt TBF May 2012 #24
Deep stuff there 4th law of robotics May 2012 #26
I'm arguing against your premise of supporting TBF May 2012 #27
Which is it: status quo or austerity measures? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #30
I will use simpler terms so you can understand - TBF May 2012 #33
"No, the workers do not want to live under austerity conditions." 4th law of robotics May 2012 #39
Solution - break away from EU and IMF TBF May 2012 #42
The solution is to build a new global economic system in a couple of months? OK. nt hack89 May 2012 #43
Did I say a couple of months? Whatever. I think TBF May 2012 #45
So how do the Greeks get through the next year or so? hack89 May 2012 #49
So break away from the EU and IMF, but still recieve money from the EU and IMF 4th law of robotics May 2012 #46
More crazy talk - that's just dishonest. TBF May 2012 #48
What exactly do the Greeks want? nt hack89 May 2012 #50
The election results speak for themselves. nt TBF May 2012 #51
Did they vote in favor of specific policies hack89 May 2012 #54
You can google as well as I can - TBF May 2012 #55
Good luck to them - they will need it. nt hack89 May 2012 #57
The most popular party was the centre-right pro-austerity New Democracy muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #90
The election results say: we want our cake and to be able to eat it too 4th law of robotics May 2012 #61
What can I say to that kind of right-wing TBF May 2012 #73
Neither right nor left; just math 4th law of robotics May 2012 #86
But who pays for it? The leaders making those calls TBF May 2012 #91
Who voted for those leaders? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #101
When folks don't have any real choices I can - TBF May 2012 #106
So the ruling elites didn't provide the "workers" with a suitable candidate 4th law of robotics May 2012 #117
I'm aware of how capitalists function TBF May 2012 #118
Weak 4th law of robotics May 2012 #119
Look, can I point something out for you that may help? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #87
What is it that you don't understand? TBF May 2012 #92
Being clear which side you are on is not the same as being clear why you are making an argument 4th law of robotics May 2012 #100
What money? I could care less about the predatory banks and their money. nt TBF May 2012 #107
Ah yes, default then? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #116
A revision of the principles of basic mathematics 4th law of robotics May 2012 #63
You're talking about breaking from the EU 4th law of robotics May 2012 #60
Where is your cite for that nonsense? nt TBF May 2012 #93
That they want free money with no consequences? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #99
That's your interpretation - not mine. nt TBF May 2012 #108
And what is your interpretation? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #115
I agree with the KKE in Greece - TBF May 2012 #121
National socialism tama May 2012 #130
I know - TBF May 2012 #133
Necessity is the mother of invention tama May 2012 #135
Do you have any suggestions for reading about what is happening there? TBF May 2012 #136
No good suggestions, sorry nt tama May 2012 #137
Have you ever been to Greece? JDPriestly May 2012 #68
That is how I see it as well - TBF May 2012 #76
Who wants to have a tourism-dependent economy? tralala May 2012 #138
Secession The2ndWheel May 2012 #53
You mean from the EU? Sure I suppose they could try it cstanleytech May 2012 #98
How about aggressively going after wealthy tax evaders? aquart May 2012 #132
Aww... sendero May 2012 #154
The austerity was imposed from without. JDPriestly May 2012 #65
No, austerity hasn't been imposed on anyone 4th law of robotics May 2012 #70
So what conditions did the Greek people say they were willing to accept? hack89 May 2012 #25
I never understood the "people" were formally snappyturtle May 2012 #29
Why should the people accept any "conditions" TBF May 2012 #31
Why should the countries of the EU give them any money? hack89 May 2012 #34
It remains to be seen TBF May 2012 #40
It seems like they agreed to continue doing things exactly as they had 4th law of robotics May 2012 #32
That I sort of agree with - TBF May 2012 #56
How rude of the Germans to offer all this money without first 4th law of robotics May 2012 #17
Germans are offering no money to Greece. JackRiddler May 2012 #79
Germans are offering up money to pay off the debts Greece eagerly acquired 4th law of robotics May 2012 #88
Greece will simply nationalize their banks magic59 May 2012 #18
"Take greed and corruption out of the equation" by putting politicians in charge? In Greece? hack89 May 2012 #28
Saying "bye bye to the Euro" is the tricky stage muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #35
Way too late for that hack89 May 2012 #41
They don't need to set up a currency from scratch Art_from_Ark May 2012 #155
*Had*. It's no longer legal currency there. muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #156
The thing is, Greece had a viable currency before the euro Art_from_Ark May 2012 #157
Again, *had*. muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #158
The Germans are inciting some long-standing anti-German resentment in Greece... Odin2005 May 2012 #36
That resentment didn't bubble up until the Germans threatened to stop cutting checks 4th law of robotics May 2012 #47
I think Germany is running a mercantile scheme on the smaller economies and byeya May 2012 #52
The germans got together and said: 4th law of robotics May 2012 #58
Uhhh, that is a racist term. I'm sad your post got 3-3 to LEAVE IT when someone alerted you Zalatix May 2012 #96
Krauts? Codeine May 2012 #102
Hey Odin, how 'bout editing out the ethnic slur?...nt SidDithers May 2012 #104
Edited, I didn't know it was considered a slur. Odin2005 May 2012 #111
Awesome. Thanks!!... SidDithers May 2012 #112
I feel so embarassed! Odin2005 May 2012 #113
Perhaps it will take Greece literally running out of money for the voters to realize Nye Bevan May 2012 #59
Yeah the time to bail out of the EU was a while back 4th law of robotics May 2012 #62
So, you want to guarantee Greece dumps the euro? Kelvin Mace May 2012 #64
Hard to say what the impact of dumping the EURO would be. hack89 May 2012 #69
Part of me actually wants Greece to exit the Euro. Nye Bevan May 2012 #71
Right now all Greece needs is some adult leadership hack89 May 2012 #72
Missing From This Debate DallasNE May 2012 #67
Absolutely correct grantcart May 2012 #74
Agree - TBF May 2012 #78
Translation from German: Kill yourselves, or we won't do you the favor of killing you. JackRiddler May 2012 #75
Very similar to what we went through here in a way - TBF May 2012 #77
So the Greek government bears no responsiblity? None at all? hack89 May 2012 #80
So you're for slicing up little kittens, are you? Really?! JackRiddler May 2012 #82
The banks have accepted a 70% loss on their loans. hack89 May 2012 #84
You are again changing the subject to evade acknowledging your false statement. JackRiddler May 2012 #122
The bailout is designed to fund all Greek government expenses until 2014 hack89 May 2012 #124
Bald tama May 2012 #131
Then Greece will never be able to borrow again hack89 May 2012 #139
Yup tama May 2012 #141
But the people would starve too hack89 May 2012 #143
Tae this to heart tama May 2012 #146
. inna May 2012 #114
European banks have already taken up to a 70% loss on Greek debt as part of the bailout hack89 May 2012 #81
So are you Greece supporters buying Greek bonds? Alhena May 2012 #83
My, so clever. Such generalizations. JackRiddler May 2012 #85
Generalizations are appropriate here ... Alhena May 2012 #89
Why would that be someone's position? TBF May 2012 #94
Those are the terms of the agreement they reached ... Alhena May 2012 #95
That's up to the lawyers to figure out TBF May 2012 #97
But the Greeks have a lot to lose. The Germans not so much. hack89 May 2012 #103
The greek workers have nothing to lose but their chains. nt TBF May 2012 #105
And their jobs, pensions and future. nt hack89 May 2012 #109
Disgusting statement, given that you support robbing them of their jobs, pensions and future. JackRiddler May 2012 #123
I am agnostic on the matter. I don't care what choice the Greeks make. hack89 May 2012 #125
This is not crisis of Greece. It is the crisis of capitalism. JackRiddler May 2012 #126
Bye. nt hack89 May 2012 #127
Capitulation accepted, but unfortunately you don't mean it. JackRiddler May 2012 #128
Capitulation my ass. hack89 May 2012 #129
But you do always have time to defame the Greek people as childish and irresponsible. JackRiddler May 2012 #134
So you tell me what the solution is hack89 May 2012 #140
There is no alternative to years of hardship, but there is a choice. JackRiddler May 2012 #142
The answer is for Greece to withdraw from the global economy hack89 May 2012 #144
Your characterization is typically wrong. I provided an answer. JackRiddler May 2012 #145
It's a painfull wake-up tama May 2012 #147
Do you have a solution grounded in reality? One that the Greeks want and will support? hack89 May 2012 #150
Once again, you are misrepresenting what I clearly wrote. JackRiddler May 2012 #151
PS - Do you have a solution grounded in reality? JackRiddler May 2012 #152
I do not endorse any solution - I have no problem leaving it to the Greeks hack89 May 2012 #153
The responsible solution that is grounded in reality: tralala May 2012 #169
Ironic, I presume? JackRiddler May 2012 #173
The transfers to Greece are for European banks. Prometheus Bound May 2012 #148
It also goes to salaries, pensions, health care and other governement services hack89 May 2012 #149
Eurozone crisis: EU moves to loosen grip of austerity muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #110
And so it begins...... DeSwiss May 2012 #120
No fiscal reform can be efficient without growth ChangoLoa May 2012 #159
Structural deficits are bad for growth. hack89 May 2012 #160
An austerity shock will take growth even deeper into negative figures ChangoLoa May 2012 #161
Is it even clear that the Greek people are willing to accept any austerity? hack89 May 2012 #162
Many measures have been already applied and they know they'll have to accept more ChangoLoa May 2012 #163
So the Germans and the EU step back and wash their hands of the entire matter. hack89 May 2012 #164
You mean the EU amputates itself from one of its members? ChangoLoa May 2012 #165
So the Greeks can violate EU monetary policy with impunity hack89 May 2012 #166
It is in the interest long term for EU members that Greece remains a member for a variety of reasons Harmony Blue May 2012 #167
I'm not so sure. hack89 May 2012 #168
Well, a hair cut is tolerated to a certain extent Harmony Blue May 2012 #170
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