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fujiyama

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136. It's true that at a certain point
Sat Apr 28, 2012, 06:17 PM
Apr 2012

if you don't get certain promotions, you will may find yourself limited career-wise.

But that's pretty much true of any field. Engineering and technology related careers require the person to keep up with industry trends and the latest tool or software (whether it's a particular programming language, engineering software package, or other tool). At my work place, I see several coworkers, degreed and non-degreed that are still making good money in their 40s and 50s. But they do have skills in relative demand, with an expertise in a particular CAD software. And these people are not the managers, who as they go up the ladder, deal with fewer technical tasks.



Look on the bright side 90-percent Apr 2012 #1
At some point, the major has to be considered... ag_dude Apr 2012 #3
Because it's not up to you what a student's "allowed" to major in, full stop. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #4
Who in the world said don't allow them to major in it? ag_dude Apr 2012 #5
But its impossible in this shifting economy to say which majors may hold the key to $$$ riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #14
Archaeology is your example... ag_dude Apr 2012 #29
In virtually every country, an archaeology survey is legally required before ANY construction riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #31
My daughter and I had this discussion..... AnneD Apr 2012 #78
What should we ALL study then? Ash_F Apr 2012 #132
Technical writing is another example Quantess Apr 2012 #157
Of course not, but students should choose their majors with their eyes open. Flatulo Apr 2012 #9
My nephew got an engineering degree from an excellent school, where he'd had pnwmom Apr 2012 #20
What about architects? ... Bigmack Apr 2012 #48
computer science majors are pretty much screwed once they hit 40. provis99 Apr 2012 #67
It's true that at a certain point fujiyama Apr 2012 #136
India and China are ALREADY making huge investments in those areas fujiyama Apr 2012 #135
Don't Koch brothers have some kind of lobbyist training program? pstokely Apr 2012 #55
What career does your son want? Hippo_Tron Apr 2012 #68
I keep asking myself that question... Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #75
Out of curiosity, what do you do now? Hippo_Tron Apr 2012 #130
There's a lot of money going into the political system fujiyama Apr 2012 #138
I was the first on in my family ...... AnneD Apr 2012 #79
No, but perhaps it is up to us to determine how federal loans are handed out 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #11
It's a loan, not a grant. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #24
That's a lie liberal arts students tell themselves to feel better about their degrees 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #36
Because you cannot know the utility of the degree. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #42
"Your proposal is based on the hypothesis that we can see into the future" 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #44
Experts predict that 60% of the best jobs in the next 10 years haven't even been invented yet riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #49
Not one single person who currently makes a living as an app developer for an i-phone 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #84
There used to be a "core curriculum" for engineering -- stuff that prepared you for change FarCenter Apr 2012 #92
I think many universities are starting to incorporate some of the classes you mentioned fujiyama Apr 2012 #140
It would be good if it applied to all STEM majors FarCenter Apr 2012 #141
I agree. fujiyama Apr 2012 #148
Good list. n/t rayofreason May 2012 #166
The jobs you mentioned fujiyama Apr 2012 #139
Used to be a background in European languages was considered very valuable. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #81
European languages are still valuable 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #85
Is liberal arts really easier, or is it just presented in a more interesting way, JDPriestly May 2012 #161
Liberal arts is easier 4th law of robotics May 2012 #162
But, what I did not realize until I retired and began to garden, JDPriestly May 2012 #163
I don't think that is true for everyone Nikia May 2012 #171
I agree that many science teachers in K-12 aren't doing as good a job as they can fujiyama Apr 2012 #142
So true. And I think that teachers are doing a better job now than they did when I was JDPriestly May 2012 #164
I agree with you on a lot of this fujiyama May 2012 #172
Thanks. JDPriestly May 2012 #173
There's no perfect major -- there have been plenty of engineers unemployed . Even now pnwmom Apr 2012 #28
A lot depends on the school one attended. Hiring managers have a tendency to Flatulo Apr 2012 #30
That is one of the main reasons.... AnneD Apr 2012 #80
There will always be some unemployed people in any field 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #37
Of course there isn't a "perfect major" fujiyama Apr 2012 #147
When most of these students were picking their majors the trends weren't clear. pnwmom Apr 2012 #16
Really? Doing what though? fujiyama Apr 2012 #150
Traditionally, most humanities majors haven't expected to find a job directly related to their pnwmom Apr 2012 #155
Because DonCoquixote Apr 2012 #21
Although some majors may face better odds, there are usually several factors at work Nikia Apr 2012 #22
Maybe that's exactly the problem. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #62
You've got to make a lot of money fujiyama Apr 2012 #160
Their choice Ulcer Apr 2012 #100
A creative writing major working as a barista ag_dude Apr 2012 #2
He's over qualified for barista work pstokely Apr 2012 #57
I gotta wonder what kinda job he expects to get hired into fujiyama Apr 2012 #6
You can't predict what will happen in the job market. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #25
I disagree that technical and science degrees are limited fujiyama Apr 2012 #134
Writing for Hollywood? pstokely Apr 2012 #56
How many people have luck breaking into that industry? fujiyama Apr 2012 #133
writing jobs in hollywood are tougher with so many reality shows now JI7 Apr 2012 #137
We write software. We hire people like him jeff47 May 2012 #170
Sucks, but... Serve The Servants Apr 2012 #7
What kind of job was he expecting to get with a creative writing degree? pstokely Apr 2012 #54
advertising, pr, education, bank manager, manger of the place Iris Apr 2012 #105
Wearing fishing tackle on his face to his interviews probably does not help either n/t prdel May 2012 #174
The article states... BadtotheboneBob Apr 2012 #8
Unfortunatley... Serve The Servants Apr 2012 #10
Eventually, the guy with a creative writing degree will have a job. Iris Apr 2012 #106
A telling quote: 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #12
Don't go into debt and major in those things pstokely Apr 2012 #23
Or major in something useful and minor in something fun 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #33
A "useful" major isn't a job guarantee pstokely Apr 2012 #53
No on said it was a guarantee 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #90
A large number of those majors plan on years of grad school pstokely Apr 2012 #96
This is the key point fujiyama Apr 2012 #151
"While there's strong demand in science, education and health fields, arts and humanities flounder." ingac70 Apr 2012 #13
Many students are trying to get one of the few slots for these useful majors. pnwmom Apr 2012 #18
Then you decide on something else.... something else useful.... ingac70 Apr 2012 #32
Yeah, sure, and 100% of the students better make sure they're in the top 25%. pnwmom Apr 2012 #38
"the education society is pushing them to get" has served many quite well. Iris Apr 2012 #107
That's true. I had a liberal arts degree and it served me well. pnwmom Apr 2012 #116
I didn't know Herman Cain posts at DU! alp227 Apr 2012 #61
Is that how you made it? nt Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #64
Yeah.... ingac70 Apr 2012 #76
How cool is that! I studied Radiology (CT Tech here) and now studying Philosophy/Humanities... Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #97
Middling self discovery is fine.. ingac70 Apr 2012 #104
Whining? You talk as if 'student loans' are 'handouts' Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #113
...... ingac70 Apr 2012 #114
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #117
"Would you have signed up for Philosophy without already possesing a marketable skill?" Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #122
once you have a foot in the door any bit of education helps... ingac70 Apr 2012 #128
Do something else then 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #34
Then our whole society should stop sending students the message that college is the answer. pnwmom Apr 2012 #39
People have this idea that a degree automatically = money.... ingac70 Apr 2012 #41
And the idea that if you don't succeed is because you didn't try hard enough... or just lazy. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #65
that is exactly what we were told by every Taylor Smite Apr 2012 #91
How would we do that? 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #43
I don't know. I'm just saying it's not the students fault -- it's the fault of the adults in charge. pnwmom Apr 2012 #45
The students *are* adults. 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #46
Yeah, right. pnwmom Apr 2012 #47
Are you sure you are not a robot? Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #69
18-22 year olds are not adults? 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #88
Yes. That's about the only thing it makes sense from your conversation. nt Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #98
So then why are they allowed to make such decisions? 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #102
Remember how the mortgage folks Taylor Smite Apr 2012 #93
You can't argue with logic when you have plenty of hate and contempt for... Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #121
And how are people suppose to get into another field of study... Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #66
Pretty simple: 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #89
So you want to 'regulate' education? No wonder why many US workers are under-qualified. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #99
Crazy I know, the concept that government can have any role in "regulating" education 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #101
Well HELLO! Are we talking about regulating student loans? Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #103
Wow 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #119
Lol!! Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #120
I really don't know what to do with this 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #124
+1 ingac70 Apr 2012 #40
Or it may mean going to a less prestigious school fujiyama Apr 2012 #152
Story is about as shallow as it gets ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #15
Many good students are denied entrance into useful degree programs -- so they major in whatever pnwmom Apr 2012 #19
This is bullshit. Iris Apr 2012 #108
If you read my OP you'll see I basically agree with you. pnwmom Apr 2012 #115
People think "business" is a marketable degree. Iris Apr 2012 #127
I wish all the current and recent graduates much good fortune and... steve2470 Apr 2012 #17
& wouldn't hurt picking up some... happerbolic Apr 2012 #26
But in reality Taylor Smite Apr 2012 #94
The job problem for college graduates is NOT picking the "correct" major. AdHocSolver Apr 2012 #27
According to the article the shortage of jobs isn't in science and engineering 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #35
DU has had several posts by older, experienced scientists and engineers... AdHocSolver Apr 2012 #51
Big company with well known name Taylor Smite Apr 2012 #95
there is a vast oversupply of science majors in the US. provis99 Apr 2012 #70
I wouldn't think the problem is oversupply of science majors. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #72
That article was focusing on academia 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #86
Additionally the shortages in academia are a result of recent draconian cuts to research budgets 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #87
Having looked for jobs with a degree in science recently Nikia Apr 2012 #149
This is true fujiyama Apr 2012 #153
Indeed, the job market is rough. BUT . . . . 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #158
believe whatever you want sweetapogee Apr 2012 #50
I worked in engineering and science environments. AdHocSolver Apr 2012 #52
"dumbing down of education in the U.S." Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #63
One of the best posts here fujiyama Apr 2012 #154
At last! A SANE post! Iris Apr 2012 #109
It is only April. Have they even graduated yet? treestar Apr 2012 #58
The second SANE post of this entire thread! Iris Apr 2012 #110
The student loan bubble begins. joshcryer Apr 2012 #59
Actually, I think it's about to end. Psephos Apr 2012 #73
Doh, yes, I should've said it's about to pop! joshcryer Apr 2012 #74
I feel sorry for the young people.... unkachuck Apr 2012 #60
The RW meme machines are working hard tonight in this thread. nt Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #71
No kidding. Almost like reading a freeper thread. n/t SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2012 #82
agree CountAllVotes Apr 2012 #83
Not sure when you went to school Iris Apr 2012 #112
Amen. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #118
I know. And it's like the more you say it, the more people believe it. Iris Apr 2012 #125
it was semi-affordable CountAllVotes Apr 2012 #123
Agreed. My dad put 3 kids through with a union job and lots of overtime Iris Apr 2012 #126
I see a lot of pretty ridiculous high-cost construction on campuses around here.. Posteritatis Apr 2012 #144
My guess would be those projects are being funded by outside sources Iris Apr 2012 #145
Sane post #THREE!!!! Iris Apr 2012 #111
Yep. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #143
We're in the process of creating an entire generation of coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #77
If you want a professional job, look professional madville Apr 2012 #129
I ... really, really don't think that accounts for the "1 in 2" figure, or anything close. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #146
Thats a rather strange take may3rd May 2012 #169
College education should be free. U4ikLefty Apr 2012 #131
The real question should be fujiyama Apr 2012 #156
A 23-year-old graduated in 2010 with a creative writing degree? tawadi Apr 2012 #159
Frantically waving my 26 year old law degree. Manifestor_of_Light May 2012 #165
Great read: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101626980 proverbialwisdom May 2012 #167
Some notable excerpts (the analysis has absolutely nothing to do with choice of college major): proverbialwisdom May 2012 #168
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