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Warren DeMontague

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35. Okay, so explain who "Haven Monahan" is.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 08:13 PM
Apr 2015

Because I can tell you. He's a made-up guy who never existed, who she exchanged fabricated "texts" with that she showed to her friends (including the one she was romantically interested in, who did not reciprocate the interest).. The pictures of "Haven Monahan" were pictures of some random guy she had gone to high school with, taken off social media, that she showed to her friends as "hey here is this guy who is interested in me"

The night the assault allegedly occurred, she said she went on a date, a date with a guy no one else saw, a date with (she said at the time) "Haven Monahan".

That is who she claimed assaulted her. The guy she invented out of whole cloth. BEFORE the attack allegedly occurred, so so much for "misremembering the details of an attack".

I'm sorry, but the story isn't true. There's hardly any logically consistent narrative by which it could be true. The only explanation that makes sense is, she invented the incident, like she invented the imaginary date, to get the attn of the guy who didn't like her back. Odds are, the story snowballed beyond her control, to the point where Rolling Stone got involved. I don't think it was deliberate deception all the way down.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/16/us/uva-rape/index.html?sr=fb121614uvarapestory10pVODtopLink

Duffin said Jackie was much more interested in him than he in her. He said he was happy when Jackie told friends that an upperclassman in her chemistry class asked her on a date.

Duffin and Stock decided to learn more about the upperclassman and check to "see if he's OK," Duffin said. Jackie gave them the phone number for the man, whom she identified as Haven Monahan.

Stock and Duffin said they sent him text messages and pretended to be another student from chemistry class. Monahan purportedly texted back, saying of Jackie, "I really like her," and describing her as "super smart .. hot" and liking the same music as he. At one point, he even sent a photo of himself.

Duffin never suspected Monahan may not be a real person.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/everything-we-know-uva-rape-case.html

Jackie's friends shared more details about how they contacted "Drew," the man she claims she was on a date with the night she was raped.

According to the Daily Caller, the name she gave them for the attractive upperclassman who had a crush on her was "Haven Monahan." No one by that name was enrolled on campus, or even lived in the area.

She encouraged them to text him, and eventually they had three different phone numbers for Haven. Research by the Washington Times determined that all three numbers are registered to internet services that allow people to text without a phone number or redirect calls to different numbers.

Ryan Duffin said he received no response when he texted the first number Jackie gave him. Someone identifying himself as Haven contacted him from a different phone, claiming he was using a friend's phone because his wasn't working. Later Haven started texting the friends from a third number, which he said was his BlackBerry. Previously, the Washington Post determined that a photo sent from that number was of one of Jackie's high school classmates, who was not in contact with her at the time and is not named Haven.


http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/19/more-bad-news-for-rolling-stone-jackie-u

We now know the "real" given name of Jackie's date on the evening of her alleged rape, September 28, 2012: Haven Monahan. Jackie claimed that Monahan was an older student who had taken an interest in her. Prior to September 28th, Duffin, Stock, and Hendley had pressed Jackie for details about this mysterious love interest. She gave them several different cell phone numbers for Monahan, and they corresponded with him. He eventually sent a picture of himself. Many of his messages contained not-so-subtle hints that Jackie had (unrequited) feelings for Duffin.

We now know that no one named Haven Monahan attended UVA. The phone numbers aren't even real—they redirect back to an internet service that allows people to send texts without having actual phone numbers. And the picture is of a former high school acquaintance of Jackie's who never attended UVA and spent no time in Charlottesville that year.

This strongly implies, of course, that Jackie sent the messages herself. The Daily Caller's Chuck Ross has gathered compelling evidence—including an interview with Duffin himself—that Jackie may have been trying to make Duffin sympathetic to her or develop feelings for her.

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She should be sued by the frat yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #1
Rolling Stone is going to shell out millions because of this. Calista241 Apr 2015 #2
Meh. Hard to argue that printing somebody's allegation is tortious Recursion Apr 2015 #45
Bad faith is only required for public figures. LisaL Apr 2015 #47
I have no doubt that rape happened. The fact that the reporting was inadequate dolphinsandtuna Apr 2015 #3
You have no doubt? oberliner Apr 2015 #4
Wanting it to be true. Throd Apr 2015 #12
agree with your line of thinking, dolphinsandtuna. hopemountain Apr 2015 #5
OMG. So her friends who supported her in the beginning TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #10
oh, so twisting my words, now, eh? hopemountain Apr 2015 #17
Her friends did not support her from the beginning ripcord Apr 2015 #44
I worded that badly. Jackie's friends who met with her TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #48
This woman never reported it to police. LisaL Apr 2015 #21
not reporting a rape does not mean it did hopemountain Apr 2015 #31
And still you haven't presented any evidence that a rape did occur, GGJohn Apr 2015 #32
Okay, so explain who "Haven Monahan" is. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #35
The author went looking for a story TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #40
They couldn't charge her even if they wanted to (not that they would have wanted to). LisaL Apr 2015 #43
It could be tortious, but I cannot imagine the frat suing Jackie Recursion Apr 2015 #46
No, because "Jackie" refused to cooperate TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author hopemountain Apr 2015 #51
adding: hopemountain Apr 2015 #52
Oh really? GGJohn Apr 2015 #22
What makes you think that RS didn't dig deeper attempting to find out if the story was true? GGJohn Apr 2015 #25
You have no doubt based on what evidence? eom. GGJohn Apr 2015 #24
This post was hidden by jury decision cosmicone Apr 2015 #6
Why? nt alp227 Apr 2015 #9
Any post questioning any part of a rape story cosmicone Apr 2015 #11
Blaming the victim is freaking insensitive and doesn't belong in a progressive space ever. nt alp227 Apr 2015 #13
What if the "victim" just made up a bunch of shit? Throd Apr 2015 #14
Whether she is a victim is at the center of the debate shebolleth Apr 2015 #15
Well, one side of this "debate" is void of facts, apparently TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #19
Just who are the victims in this story? LisaL Apr 2015 #16
What evidence leads you to believe she's a victim? eom. GGJohn Apr 2015 #23
Not talking about the Jackie from rolling stone articles alp227 Apr 2015 #26
Ahhh, ok, my mistake and apology. eom GGJohn Apr 2015 #28
Asking questions is not blaming ... cosmicone Apr 2015 #34
The problem I have is with people who use "disagreement" as an excuse to promote bigotry. alp227 Apr 2015 #38
The problem with that line of thinking is that cosmicone Apr 2015 #39
As it turned out, the victim is actually the victim of the "victim." Psephos Apr 2015 #42
And to prove your point SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #18
lol n/t cosmicone Apr 2015 #30
Oh my god, are you serious about your Cosby question? wheniwasincongress Apr 2015 #20
No one is blaming the victims cosmicone Apr 2015 #29
Gee I don't know wheniwasincongress Apr 2015 #33
Are you resorting to personal attacks now with calling me a troll? n/t cosmicone Apr 2015 #36
I was going to say wheniwasincongress Apr 2015 #37
You are letting personal feelings interfere with your judgment cosmicone Apr 2015 #41
Maybe she can hire Mike Nifong as her attorney, to help her draft the apology bluestateguy Apr 2015 #7
Nifong is disbarred. nt alp227 Apr 2015 #8
I think it was meant as sarcasm. eom. GGJohn Apr 2015 #27
like Zimmerman or Crystal Mangum people like this simply do not stop MisterP Apr 2015 #50
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