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15. Ms. Toad is right

Wed Apr 1, 2015, 04:19 PM

Apr 2015

That was my first thought; someone else could have received that heart and lived, but instead they died because of public pressure to not comply with reasonable guidelines.

If there were an oversupply of hearts, give them to anyone regardless of what you think they'll do. When there's an undersupply, wasting them is indefensible.

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Atlanta teen who received controversial heart transplant dies in chase with police [View all] Crabby Appleton Apr 2015 OP

The article doesn't say, but I wonder if they were able to harvest his heart . . . Journeyman Apr 2015 #1

Not likely. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #9

Interesting. I'll have to do some reading on that. It doesn't surprise me. . . Journeyman Apr 2015 #10

Not after a high speed accident Travis_0004 Apr 2015 #45

The article says he died at the hospital, so a second harvest seemed a possibility . . . Journeyman Apr 2015 #53

No, it's not. LisaL Apr 2015 #80

No. The heart can not be re-transplanted. LisaL Apr 2015 #79

No, there are two types of rejection Warpy Apr 2015 #85

Haven't the cops learned their lesson about high-speed chases?? KamaAina Apr 2015 #2

LOL Rebubula Apr 2015 #23

No, but the tragic end is KamaAina Apr 2015 #25

I'm pretty sure that's for minor traffic offenses and minor violations. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2015 #27

He never should have gotten the transplant to begin with Reter Apr 2015 #28

This, One Thousand Time Sparhawk60 Apr 2015 #46

Meh Travis_0004 Apr 2015 #34

He ran into the pole DURING the chase. KamaAina Apr 2015 #36

He also ran over a pedestrian XemaSab Apr 2015 #39

Im aware of that Travis_0004 Apr 2015 #44

Wow...Way to piss away a second chance at life Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #3

There are times when it's best to just let the car get away bluestateguy Apr 2015 #12

He shot at an elderly woman during an attempted burglary. EL34x4 Apr 2015 #13

Ok, that's obviously a case where you would pursue bluestateguy Apr 2015 #14

He would have eventually ended up killing someone Reter Apr 2015 #30

Unfortunately, This Was Not One Of Those Instances Corey_Baker08 Apr 2015 #67

Didn't Dick Cheney get a second chance with heart surgery? And look what he did with it. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #4

Thank you. Daemonaquila Apr 2015 #21

He's a true reason to NEVER agree to become an organ donor. Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #22

He was given a second chance at living and he wasted it. Beacool Apr 2015 #5

Many people change their life... Helen Borg Apr 2015 #6

Unclear if he tried and failed? seveneyes Apr 2015 #19

Hear, hear!!!! n/t Mugu Apr 2015 #40

I knew a kid who got one and everybody said it was a waste Warpy Apr 2015 #86

There are screening guidelines for a reason. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #7

There is nothing in the link however that says he didn't comply with the medical requirements. Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #11

Not at that link, but a different source Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #32

Noncompliance is more common in adolescents. Does this mean they should be skipped on the list? Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #43

The reality is that some of those likely play an indirect role, because noncompliance Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #47

Jinx! riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #49

:) Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #50

I selected those noncompliance risks from one study. Other studies refute the education marker. Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #60

You are looking at a study which typed people, Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #75

BTW. It was not "hindsight" Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #84

academics forsaken mortal Apr 2015 #87

The screening process doesn't lump people into categories like you are doing riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #48

Smoking is non-compliance, for obvious reasons. A smoker will not get a heart transplant. Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #52

That was not in the OP link Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #55

Stokes was non-compliant before his transplant. We know that riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #58

And when the med team calls it incorrectly and denies a spot on the transplant list, we won't know. Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #62

The screening process is under constant scrutiny lol! riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #64

Why the LOL if you agreed with that point? Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #65

I'm sorry, I just had a chuckle at thinking the process isn't reviewed regularly. riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #71

They couldn't say why he was a bad candidate due to privacy laws. Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #88

But another person may not have christx30 Apr 2015 #61

You can not say that an adolescent with criminal behavior wouldn't change as he matured Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #63

No you can't, however... EL34x4 Apr 2015 #66

I wouldn't have given him the heart christx30 Apr 2015 #68

He should not have been put on the list at the time. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #78

Criminal behavior does NOT make you unworthy. It DOES demonstrate Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #77

Thank you. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #76

Ms. Toad is right dolphinsandtuna Apr 2015 #15

:( blackspade Apr 2015 #8

the thought of having to be worthy just creeps me out dembotoz Apr 2015 #16

It's not a matter of being worthy TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #18

It has NOTHING to do with being worthy. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #20

basic behavioral yes but to attach value statements makes me nervous dembotoz Apr 2015 #33

Spend some time reading the actual guidelines. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #35

OH, how tragic.! On ALL levels. n/t Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #17

It's okay, cop apologists. The victim was black. valerief Apr 2015 #24

By 'victim' I assume you mean the elderly lady the perp shot at, right? nt kelly1mm Apr 2015 #26

This has nothing to do with race or "cop apologists." NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #29

Wow what a failure of a comment romanic Apr 2015 #41

In A High Speed Pursuit You Really Think The Cops Even Knew He Was Black? Corey_Baker08 Apr 2015 #69

This is precisely why the transplant board... NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #31

I can only imagine what I'd be reading about this at Frei Republik KamaAina Apr 2015 #37

He was non-compliant to the end... Historic NY Apr 2015 #38

A waste of a 2nd chance indeed romanic Apr 2015 #42

OK, so it didn't work out in this case. What does that mean? Should transplants only be given to still_one Apr 2015 #51

Since the number of available organs does not meet the number of people in need of them... Ace Rothstein Apr 2015 #54

I know, I just wanted to get my scarcasm about Cheney in still_one Apr 2015 #59

Sad case fiddodiddo Apr 2015 #56

the car was almost split in half in the 'chase wreck', the youth had to be cut out of the wreckage. Sunlei Apr 2015 #57

In This Case He Is Not Just A 'Runner' He Is An Armed Attempted Murderer Who Ran From Police... Corey_Baker08 Apr 2015 #70

the police just said it was a similar car & person. Not that he was the burglar. Sunlei Apr 2015 #73

"The danger to society" romanic Apr 2015 #81

Yes, there was someone carjacked, an elderely woman shot, LisaL Apr 2015 #83

From what is being reported, the car was carjacked from the mall. LisaL Apr 2015 #82

Did they have him from the chopper? NickB79 Apr 2015 #74

Seems like a nice kid. VScott Apr 2015 #72