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Xithras

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50. Under California law, it actually is in this case.

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 04:54 PM

Mar 2015

Proposition 7, which created the initiative system, allows propositions and initiatives to supercede all state laws and even supercedes the power of the state constitution. The legislature is powerless to create any law limiting the scope or reach of propositions in this state. The only way to limit it would be to have the voters back another proposition, and that hasn't been done.

It would be a violation of the state constitution for any agency of the state to try and limit or ban a proposition, even if it includes materials that violate state laws.

Like it or not, that's how it works.

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(California) 'Shoot the gays' initiative likely to be circulated [View all] Newsjock Mar 2015 OP

bullshit. They should not allow it because it is clearly unconstitutional still_one Mar 2015 #1

Disagree. Transparency: watch it fail. It needs signatures before going to the ballot. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #7

In the eraly 90's I did a signature collection in California rpannier Mar 2015 #10

Signature gatherers might pay a very steep price trying to collect signatures for that monster. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #12

there are a lot of bigots drray23 Mar 2015 #16

True. There are a lot of bigots rpannier Mar 2015 #19

the author of that initiative should be disbarred CreekDog Mar 2015 #26

That is being studied. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #27

Incitement. The state shouldn't publish their violent trash. n/t cprise Mar 2015 #32

The state is not in power to limit citizens' rights to petition government. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #33

Incitement isn't protected speech. n/t cprise Mar 2015 #34

Under California law, it actually is in this case. Xithras Mar 2015 #50

And this isn't incitement onenote Mar 2015 #58

+1000. No more phony/fake "looking forward" while criminals are looting the place. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #29

That's what he's trolling for. jeff47 Mar 2015 #77

I am wondering if NAMBLA submitted one if they'd let it through? THis is mental illness territory roguevalley Mar 2015 #89

I predict bigots getting punched in the face in front of Safeway stores statewide. nt DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #2

If I see one I'll gladly give them a giant middle finger. Initech Mar 2015 #62

Well, just shoot me now. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #3

Bet the lawyer votes Republican blazer14 Mar 2015 #4

People will die because of this Newsjock Mar 2015 #5

agreed... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #22

Never say never atreides1 Mar 2015 #74

Good point. nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #84

That's my thought too, there is far more to this than one wacko lawyer. He's likely just the RKP5637 Mar 2015 #90

This is a whole different level customerserviceguy Mar 2015 #96

Is it? Prop 8 got 7,001,084 yes votes pasing with 52.24% Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #100

All of the other homophobic proposed legislation customerserviceguy Mar 2015 #107

+1000. But then, violence is exactly what they want. valerief Mar 2015 #37

Yep. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #47

+1 Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #80

Where do these people come from? PumpkinAle Mar 2015 #6

Let them circulate it rpannier Mar 2015 #8

Stopping the Briggs Amendment in the '70's was a massive and movement building effort. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #14

That was it rpannier Mar 2015 #18

I was thinking the same thing. yardwork Mar 2015 #44

Jesus, Mary and Joseph shenmue Mar 2015 #9

Another example of how impotent and useless State Bars are. PSPS Mar 2015 #11

Individuals such as this used to be in asylums! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #13

Alternately they can be found on the membership rolls at some of the most exclusive golf clubs. Ford_Prefect Mar 2015 #15

Yep, the new norm. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #17

Under CA law... Chan790 Mar 2015 #60

This sure beats what is currently being done. dencol Mar 2015 #106

What law school educated this guy? Where did he learn that personal bigotry allows salin Mar 2015 #20

Liberty University law school? alfredo Mar 2015 #25

George Mason n/t SwankyXomb Mar 2015 #28

If she was in Canada she would be looking at jail time, 2-14 years. Yay Charter of Rights. Monk06 Mar 2015 #21

Should be here as well. FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #53

Definitely!!! Often, as the US waves its flag of freedom, opportunity and equality it sanctions RKP5637 Mar 2015 #91

Rec for exposure only.... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #23

Stochastic terrorism at work Tom Ripley Mar 2015 #24

^This. Terrorism.^ blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #30

This clown is some kind of sicko freak...lock up his ass. SoapBox Mar 2015 #31

K and R an thanks for the 'heads up'.... nt AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2015 #35

Disturbing--and here's something more disturbing: Peace Patriot Mar 2015 #36

#14 on 14 Defining Characteristics of fascism: blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #48

By golly, a Westboro Baptist chapter in Orange County Zambero Mar 2015 #38

Yet another in a growing list..... Paladin Mar 2015 #39

There is a lot of homophobia in CA. The propaganda covers it up, but CA is far from a totally happy RKP5637 Mar 2015 #92

If it circulates wryter2000 Mar 2015 #40

Is this like an early April Fool's joke? Calista241 Mar 2015 #41

This will be laughed out of the state but the more pertinent question hifiguy Mar 2015 #42

the spotlight of examination must shine on lawyer Matt McLaughlin. TeamPooka Mar 2015 #43

apparently the words incitement and hate speech have no meaning? azurnoir Mar 2015 #45

The Christian reconstructionists promised to bring their Uganda law back to the U.S., and here it is blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #46

Homegrown sharia law is okay..carrying a cross, wrapped in the flag, in the name of "god" workinclasszero Mar 2015 #57

Where are these terrible, christx30 Mar 2015 #49

It's the 'education' they're getting on Sunday that causes the problem. FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #55

Everyone reviles those "God hates F*gs" people, christx30 Mar 2015 #56

I was really talking about those who support this ... person FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #67

They been brainwashed to believe that christx30 Mar 2015 #68

Matt is a teapartier, what you wanna bet NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #51

Not clear, there seems to be very little publicly-available information Trillo Mar 2015 #104

Inciting deadly violence is not protected by the constitution IronLionZion Mar 2015 #52

Just hypothetitcally... FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #54

Yes. Chan790 Mar 2015 #61

Disgusting. Our initiative process needs some overhaul. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #59

Very few people, however stupid or bigotted... vlakitti Mar 2015 #63

I'm pretty sure you're not actually allowed to start a petition making it mandatory to kill people. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #64

yeah, i am sure she has plenty of grounds to refuse it beside constitutionality. mopinko Mar 2015 #94

Open it up to comments, then spy on anyone who signs it geek tragedy Mar 2015 #65

What about a flog the homophobics initiative? davidpdx Mar 2015 #66

Since it is clearly ridiculous AlbertCat Mar 2015 #69

I don't see the logical path from 'ridiculous' to 'hoax' FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #70

Those laws are ridiculous, but they are not hoaxes. AlbertCat Mar 2015 #71

There are many citizens of this country who would also support such laws FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #72

There are many citizens of this country who would also support such laws AlbertCat Mar 2015 #73

Countries that impose the death penalty for homosexuality wingzeroday Mar 2015 #79

I'm thinking it's not meant to be taken seriously, and is primarily meant to upset proplr. PersonNumber503602 Mar 2015 #85

That's what he wants, so he can get a big payday. jeff47 Mar 2015 #78

What would be the charge for pouring pig's blood on someone who tried to hand me this to sign? n/t jtuck004 Mar 2015 #75

This guy? wingzeroday Mar 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author PersonNumber503602 Mar 2015 #86

Publicize names of all who sign petition. kiranon Mar 2015 #81

I think that would be a good idea. smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #95

Signing a petition like this could be used as evidence later on Chemisse Mar 2015 #98

Well, this proves that the right wing nut jobs aren't all in the south TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #82

Well, he is in Southern California. KamaAina Mar 2015 #102

Great Arthur_Frain Mar 2015 #83

Calling for some to be killed and it can not be stopped? What have we become? The riversedge Mar 2015 #87

could we circulate a similar petition covering conservatives? samsingh Mar 2015 #88

Trying to get attention treestar Mar 2015 #93

Nevermind whether it's legal to submit this. Chemisse Mar 2015 #97

So, only $200 for a Shoot The Homophobic and Self Loathing Fundamentalists Initiative??? NorthCarolina Mar 2015 #99

One Subject HassleCat Mar 2015 #101

Find someone circulating this trash KamaAina Mar 2015 #103

I wonder if McLaughlin masturbates to fantasies of executing LGBT persons. Zorra Mar 2015 #105

An initiative to shoot HoosierCowboy Mar 2015 #108