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Showing Original Post only (View all)The Sexist Skewering of Kirsten Gillibrand [View all]
Gillibrand now stands accused of being craven, disloyal, and cynically using this moment to build her brand and put herself in the national spotlight. Maybe she is welcome to being a politician. Or maybe shes just doing her job, but being pilloried for it because shes widely believed to be considering a run against Donald Trump in 2020 and as we learned in 2016, Americans remain remarkably hostile to women seeking power.
While Democratic strategists complained that Gillibrands remark about Clinton reeks of political opportunism, its easy to forget that Hillary Clinton was accused of the same thing for staying with her husband after the Lewinsky affair. And while the story is being framed as Gillibrand going after President Clinton, thats not what happened. Gillibrand didnt put out a statement or seek to attack President Clinton; she was asked the question directly during a podcast interview and responded in the moment (and clearly with some hesitation). She tried to pivot to President Trump, saying that the landscape of sexual harassment and assault claims is different now than it was when Clinton was president, and I think in light of this conversation, we should have a very different conversation about President Trump, and a very different conversation about allegations against him. Her spokesperson clarified the comments afterward, saying that Gillibrand meant that the current era is a different one than the 90s, and that President Clinton would be treated differently now. And really, what else could she have said and not been branded a hypocrite? So instead, shes the most devious and cunning politician in America today, according to one Daily Beast columnist (and she didnt escape the hypocrite charge either). Its not just Clinton loyalists who are mad at her; far-right conservatives and Franken fans alike are, too, suggesting she is leading a "witch hunt" and a lynch mob to take down a senator without due process.
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Gillibrand, like Clinton before her, faces a tough road. Taking aggressive positions and putting oneself in the spotlight may be normal and admirable for male politicians, but in women it's often seen as attention-seeking and power-grabbing we like our women quiet and working hard behind the scenes. At the same time, women face expectations that we will be more moral and high-minded than our male counterparts. That a male politician might do something for political gain is to be expected; if a female politician appears to be making a carefully calculated decision, taking her political ambitions into account, she's craven and devious.
We've seen this before, and not just with Hillary Clinton and now Gillibrand. Elizabeth Warren was a nearly universally loved progressive hero until it appeared she might have greater ambitions; then she faced backlash from certain segments of the left (especially for supporting Hillary Clinton's campaign). Kamala Harris has also been on the receiving end of sustained attacks from the left and the right since it became clear she might be a promising presidential contender. And there's a reason this latest ire is directed at Gillibrand and not the many other Senate women and men who also said Franken should resign it's because Gillibrand took on a leadership role, and might run for president. And despite her solid progressive credentials, there are a lot of people on the left who just can't stand her. There's always a reason, of course. Sometimes it's that she was too soft on guns when she represented a more conservative district in upstate New York (though "soft on guns" didn't hurt Bernie Sanders with his base), or it's that she's a "turncoat" on guns, unlike Sanders, "a paragon of political consistency." And often it's just that she's allegedly craven or power-hungry or ambitious or maybe just unpleasant perceptions of her character and motivations that are never disqualifying for men. Just like Clinton before her, Gillibrand is branded a grown-up Tracy Flick, a reference to Reese Witherspoon's power-hungry high-school-presidential candidate in the film Election.
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a14408332/kirsten-gillibrand-al-franken-resignation-backlash/
And this was written before this:
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Which is why I totally agree with this:
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I don't think all 8 women who accused Franken are lying.
I don't think all 19 women who accused Trump are.
Funny, though, the common language used about the women involved.
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He chose to end the Senate probe. Was he supposed to force the Ethics panel to call
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#36
That's precisely my point. Franken knew that once it went to 8 accusers, he was a
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#37
Really good post. Most people don't realize the election is in 2018 (in 11 months)
JimBeard
Dec 2017
#238
It's a post from Democratic Underground. From a DUer. Stop....hold on...stay in control.....
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#209
It's a post from a DU regular on Twitter. It got over 70 recs. Here's another one:
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#211
.gr is a Greek domain. I don't need to cross continents to see DU. Maybe you do.
Thor_MN
Dec 2017
#214
Well, it proves you don't understand Twitter, the Internet, and you are still sore I corrected your
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#228
It proves that you are either not in the US, or are running a severly hacked OS.
Thor_MN
Dec 2017
#229
Let's not bring facts into this. I'd much rather have Thor think I was some Soros operative
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#261
You don't have to be a hero to alert on someone calling a woman the B word.
DemocratSinceBirth
Dec 2017
#187
I feel like there's only a handful of people here defending Gillibrand from these attacks.
Bleacher Creature
Dec 2017
#28
You're not alone, and I am just as disturbed, because it does seem to be so few. nt
LexVegas
Dec 2017
#31
What did you expect...most of us think it is a right wing put up job. And either Sen.Gillibrand
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#97
No. It was a right wing hit job...and even if every word reported about Sen. Franken is true, it
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#264
How's this? trump's attach against her is wrong, as was her leading the charge against...
brush
Dec 2017
#127
Lovely, we have a child molester running in Alabama and a GOP House rep that used tax payer money to
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#265
I have seen 'attacks' on folks including me because I said I would not vote for her in a primary...
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#105
Al couches his words. Basically 'since I have been a Senator' no one can accuse me of...' nt
fleabiscuit
Dec 2017
#255
So, when Franken realized that having a Senate Ethics investigation on 8 charges would be
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#23
That is not what happened. He was waiting for the investigation when he was forced out by what 34
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#98
Sorry...I haven't seen conduct that warranted that... Tweeden is a liar...and a Hannity buddy...
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#107
He was waiting when it was one accusation. I am curious about an investigation of 8, the difference.
MikeydaDog
Dec 2017
#301
Bad judgement in my opinion. And we have no guarantee when McConnell will seat the replacement if at
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#318
So, you think having a Senate Ethics investigation over conduct the Senator has already apologized
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#21
I listened to Franken. In his resignation, he indicated that continuing to be a Senator, and
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#26
And you are missing the point. After 8 accusations, you apparently expect the
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#38
I'm not missing anything. In fact, you're confirming exactly what I've been claiming.
kcr
Dec 2017
#39
I will speak for KCR since one of the Gestapo squad invoked censorship by alert.
JimBeard
Dec 2017
#242
What an unconvincing argument...completely different...can't answer the question I guess.
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#109
Anita Hill made an unconvincing argument on categorizing sexism politically? ANITA HILL?
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#112
Anita Hill is ANCIENT HISTORY????? Somebody better alert the media who are interviewing her now:
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#121
Yes. That's how it's done. What's hard to understand about that. It's called due process.
brush
Dec 2017
#128
Yeah, right. Another empty argument of yours, as is the preoccupation with the number 8.
brush
Dec 2017
#134
Not empty at all. It's called fact. It's a difficult one, but there it is.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#136
Actually I am defending a Democratic Senator. Just not the one you were hoping for.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#147
I won't forgive you for conveniently ignoring the fact that Franken hasn't yet resigned.
Denzil_DC
Dec 2017
#152
It's a funny defense of one Democratic senator that relies on smearing another.
Denzil_DC
Dec 2017
#182
No, he didn't, and quit avoiding the points people make to you over and over.
Denzil_DC
Dec 2017
#179
Ahem....This came out before Franken. The other half are paying attention:
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#42
And it says that she called for Trump's resignation for sexual misconduct where, exactly?
Thor_MN
Dec 2017
#49
She said fuck twice and remained silent on calling for Trump's resignation due to sexual misconduct.
Thor_MN
Dec 2017
#64
I am sure you are furiously researching the other 32 Senators, males included, to
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#66
You keep on with the number 8. Well the first one is a Hannity/Stone pal and the last one...
brush
Dec 2017
#133
I just told you. ONE investigation. Got it? Gillibrand forced him out before that happened.
brush
Dec 2017
#140
There is where you are wrong. Male and female Senators held to the accountability for the same
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#69
I would gravely insult no one. No one. No male, no female. For the same vote.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#141
Very good article. This is what it is about and what the conversation will be.
MikeydaDog
Dec 2017
#17
I stood with Hillary, love Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren, I stand with Franken
ebbie15644
Dec 2017
#59
A woman that has used her career speaking out against harassment/women's issues. Nt
MikeydaDog
Dec 2017
#80
I can easily stand with Franken and with open mind, see the truth about Gillibrand.
MikeydaDog
Dec 2017
#77
I have long felt we'd be much better off with a majority of women in Congress, and as Prez.
Hoyt
Dec 2017
#120
In any other environment Franken likely survives. He gave his enemies a cudgel and they used it.
DemocratSinceBirth
Dec 2017
#92
I am a feminist and a woman...and I don't like how the Franken thing was handled...and
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#94
As a feminist and a man I don't fault women for men's conduct. I don't fault the accusers
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#99
You have to face facts...this is a right wing hit job. The GOP will be back for more of our folks...
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#113
When one Democrat takes a cheap shot at another Democrat they are fair game for criticism!
FreeStateDemocrat
Dec 2017
#115
I actually am irritated with all of them...but you do not have to feel that all are equally culpable
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#281
See you think that would be a good thing...but in the age of Trump...we can't afford principles that
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#280
We can't afford principles "like that?" Please list the principles you feel the Democratic Party
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#290
"regardless of party lines". We cannot afford to have our elected sit in judgement of each other bas
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#320
"If her end game was to throw Franken under the bus to get trump to resign ....
LenaBaby61
Dec 2017
#168
Attacking the female instead of all, including males, crosses party lines.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#132
So, if I accused you of being a white male, talking about identity, would I be wrong?
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#170
Funny thing. Although I never heard about her remarks attacking Clinton before
mn9driver
Dec 2017
#183
If this was a Male Senator who had led the witchhunt to force Franken to resign, the backlash would
OnDoutside
Dec 2017
#192
I'll pass ......I hope Hillary finds it in her Hart to run for the senate again ........
stonecutter357
Dec 2017
#230
I didn't have to read Nance's mind. Like me, Nance obviously is familiar with
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#274
Well, you could call me that. You could then explain why you would use a female term to refer
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#286
Yes. It does have a male counterpart. That doesn't negate the use of the female term as an insult.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#287
It is an insult to imply a woman is a Puritan because she objects to non-consensual touching.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#291
Ms. Hill and her supporters were accused of being Neo-Puritans at the time.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#296
Ok. Very nice. But you asked what DUers would think if Thomas himself called her that.
kcr
Dec 2017
#297
Implying a woman is a prude because she objects to unwanted contact is sexist.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#298
The funny thing is that as I stated in the OP, I don't have to believe all the women.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#308
You have concluded #metoo is the baring of torches to burn the witch? I have heard everything, now.
MikeydaDog
Dec 2017
#302
Actually, it's the same old shit. I'm old enough to remember the Anita Hill hearings.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#312
Don't put words in my mouth...but the accusations against prominent journalist and
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#315
Yes, its the same as hysteria that led to lynch mobs. Actions caused by reaction to propaganda
JimBeard
Dec 2017
#304
Well, we all know who complained about the "high-tech lynch mob" against him.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#305
Yeah. I'm guessing you realized that invoking Clarence Thomas was in poor taste.
VermontKevin
Dec 2017
#309
Exactly. No one should be brought down by unproven accusations. And those that
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#317