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peggysue2

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57. Read Franken's response
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 04:09 PM
Nov 2017

He is not equivocating. He is not blaming the woman. He is taking full responsibility regardless of the circumstances surrounding the picture taking. He is also openly inviting an ethics investigation.

From where I sit, this is the most honest response I've ever read. And for that, he has my support. Not for the stupid picture, but for a response that shows actual character, something in scant supply in DC circles. Do I suspect the reasons this picture was suddenly released? Yes, I do. But Al Franken does not go there. Instead, he stands up and invites his accusers to throw whatever they want while posting a genuine apology for his actions.

I do not see where this:

perpetuates inherently paternalistic, misogynistic view that political affiliations are primitive to w woman's credibility in such matters.

If anything, Franken has set an example of how a man takes responsibility for an act of sexual harassment once he's called out. You stand up, take ownership and apologize without trying to smear the woman involved.

For the vast majority of men this is a lot harder than it looks or sounds, particularly for those in the public eye. If only men who have been accused of far worse would follow the example set here, we might have a chance of reducing the toxic affects of sexual harassment, something that women are fully aware of and that too many men still deny.

Agree, if anyone even hinted at Moore's accusers were lying Watchfoxheadexplodes Nov 2017 #1
Sorry MFM008 Nov 2017 #2
Suuuuuure. Dreamer Tatum Nov 2017 #3
I dont have to believe a right wing hack MFM008 Nov 2017 #39
...and then Franken apologised and she accepted it and said he shouldn't step down. brooklynite Nov 2017 #5
She didnt expect him to call for an investigation MFM008 Nov 2017 #40
Bingo! Cattledog Nov 2017 #53
that kind of thinking demonstrates the problem Lil Missy Nov 2017 #50
Yes it sure does. Sailor65x1 Nov 2017 #4
It does loyalsister Nov 2017 #6
Thank you.... vi5 Nov 2017 #11
there is so much wrong with the position I took then loyalsister Nov 2017 #34
Al's accuser admits they were in USO comedy skits. NightWatcher Nov 2017 #7
Did you duck in order to miss the point? nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2017 #8
The photograph MichMary Nov 2017 #61
I generally agree. Caliman73 Nov 2017 #9
"...view that political affiliations are primitive to w woman's credibility in such matters." ??? Glorfindel Nov 2017 #10
Here ya go... Dreamer Tatum Nov 2017 #15
You were called incoherent over one word. The person was just looking for an excuse to dismiss you. SaschaHM Nov 2017 #18
Many thanks. I love learning new meanings of familiar words. Glorfindel Nov 2017 #22
I think your absolute argument is absolute garbage. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #12
Weiner had ten tons of support in the beginning. Dreamer Tatum Nov 2017 #17
Provide links. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #27
You have 24000 posts Dreamer Tatum Nov 2017 #30
Didnt think so. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #41
Yes. Correct. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #42
That appears to be the relevant distinction better the then and there and the here and now. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #35
So you are complaining about the ideal of moda253 Nov 2017 #54
You have to look at the pattern... it fits. Joe941 Nov 2017 #13
Weinstein is a Democrat and who here is attacking his accusers? Kaleva Nov 2017 #14
THANK YOU Skittles Nov 2017 #23
SO in your world the GOP and their smear machine is never up to any dirty tricks. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #16
And thank you for making my point as well. nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2017 #21
Hypocritical sarisataka Nov 2017 #19
It's just a difference of perception Dreamer Tatum Nov 2017 #33
Bullshit. We don't have to fall all over ourselves to immediately condemn our side kcr Nov 2017 #20
I will reply in their place Skittles Nov 2017 #25
How about acknowledging that Franken apologized and the woman accepted the apology? brooklynite Nov 2017 #26
I already replied to you my feelings on that n/t kcr Nov 2017 #31
Nor do we have to immediately call her a liar mythology Nov 2017 #45
No, indeed. We do not. kcr Nov 2017 #47
Do you have specific examples of this? Orrex Nov 2017 #24
Here is my point, using your examples Dreamer Tatum Nov 2017 #36
Okay, to build on your point: Orrex Nov 2017 #43
What do you base your assertion that it was 50/50 here for awhile concerning Wiener? Kaleva Nov 2017 #44
You are wrong. Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #28
Well that was ez. Bonx Nov 2017 #32
Personal opinion... Staph Nov 2017 #29
I think McConnell is also thinking this. Kaleva Nov 2017 #52
Spot on! Cattledog Nov 2017 #56
Context, context, context. Vinca Nov 2017 #37
You also have a source with high credibility versus a source who worked with Hannity. kwassa Nov 2017 #38
..... Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #46
Hope there is an ethics investigation and we let it do its job. eShirl Nov 2017 #48
Franken called for an ethics investigation of HIMSELF. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #49
Correct, right is right, wrong is wrong. Period. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #51
Roger Fucking Stone gibraltar72 Nov 2017 #55
Read Franken's response peggysue2 Nov 2017 #57
#fakenews. she voted for trump so she is at lest a rascist pig . stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #58
We have to do the right thing. Isn't that what the Democratic party stands for? nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #59
It's a DU classic. linuxman Nov 2017 #60
But Soxfan58 Nov 2017 #62
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