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LiberalFighter

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154. The only people that get to decide that

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:22 PM

Nov 2017

Is Joe Biden if he wants to be the nominee. His circle of friends will help him too.
And everyone else that votes in the primary.

You or I alone don't get to decide by ourselves.

If Joe makes the decision and makes the case then he should run. Between now and when it is time to make that decision it may not make a difference and we all wasted time.

As far as the party of time and renewal and all of your other arguments. We are that. But it should not be required that each part must be same from the top on down.

Being the voice of next generation in politics should not be relegated to just the younger. There are plenty of older Democrats that also speak for the next generation. But it shouldn't be about speaking just for the next generation but also those that are still living this generation. And not everything from the past is bad. Nor should everything change. The key is to improve on what we have now.

Who says it will be running the exact same campaign again?

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Joe Biden has been great...but NO, he should not run for president. [View all] Ken Burch Nov 2017 OP

I respectfully disagree. RDANGELO Nov 2017 #1

Biden is indeed a good choice... BUT... Eyeball_Kid Nov 2017 #2

Now that we everyone has seen Trump in office delisen Nov 2017 #21

I agree, America is going to want a known commodity. A father figure to heal the nation. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #26

Women still don't trust him after how he treated Anita Hill. And he'd need women. bettyellen Nov 2017 #121

What did Joe do? InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #177

Wow, if you don't know I'm not going to tell you. The whole thing was an embarrassment and you need bettyellen Nov 2017 #180

Wow, okay... no need to be rude about it. I didn't remember there being an issue there... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #183

I agree. nt DesertRat Nov 2017 #190

They trusted her a lot just a few years earlier. Then came the non-stop smear campaign, which would StevieM Nov 2017 #38

So his vote for the Iraq war and his support for banks would not matter in his case...Interesting lunamagica Nov 2017 #58

I am a fan a Joe Biden, but your point is well made The Polack MSgt Nov 2017 #171

Polls? Please. Jakes Progress Nov 2017 #79

The polls were right, she was going to win decisively. Then the polls changed after Comey rigged StevieM Nov 2017 #166

Just as Jakes Progress Nov 2017 #191

National polls were on the money Loki Liesmith Nov 2017 #202

Such a flawed memory Jakes Progress Nov 2017 #203

eidetic memory actually. Loki Liesmith Nov 2017 #204

Oh, to be young and ....let's just say naive. Jakes Progress Nov 2017 #205

People didnt trust Hillary because of the billion dollar industry, 25 yrs old, partially from Russia Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #101

The lies told by the corrupt FBI were a bigger factor than all of those things put together IMO. StevieM Nov 2017 #167

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #170

Sorry, but Santa is untouchable... please don't besmirch his name. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #178

I am in the Democratic party Egnever Nov 2017 #169

Huh. ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #189

Joe Biden, though not my top choice, IS authentic and has earned the right. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #176

Millions of middle aged and older women remember the Anita Hill hearings and have zero enthusiasm pnwmom Nov 2017 #198

That decision belongs to Joe Biden. TexasTowelie Nov 2017 #3

It is his decision...doesn't mean other people can't express an opinion about it. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #12

It wouldnt be a statement about the next generation at all. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #19

LOL, Part of an ongoing series! Collect them all. FSogol Nov 2017 #44

HA! Good one! :-D NurseJackie Nov 2017 #60

Yes I said that about the Anita Hill issue. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #56

"You've already decided to support the guy, haven't you? " NCTraveler Nov 2017 #61

I sometimes use the same structure. That doesn't mean anything. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #63

LOL! "It's a waste of time" ... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #65

I have criticized Joe in the past as well. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #71

I'm not "talking bad" about anyone, and I don't have a template Ken Burch Nov 2017 #74

There goes Anita again. Again. Again. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #77

You're acting like I'm lying or something. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #109

Just stop bashing democrats. moda253 Nov 2017 #148

I'm not. I said nothing negative about Joe. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #152

Quote "I always say what I really mean." sheshe2 Nov 2017 #130

for several reasons Ken Burch Nov 2017 #135

If another poster raised a valid point... moda253 Nov 2017 #149

I believe you... I'm always struck by the "mindreaders" here who cannot look past simple mistakes... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #179

thanks. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #181

Exactly!! And you're welcome. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #184

Wow! And... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #75

I love Joe, and I am a woman. If he is the nominee, I will happily vote for him. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #78

And I'll support him if he's nominated. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #84

I believe. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #137

It's not possible to just silence people. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #141

It is remarkable to watch the world spinning out of control Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #151

Too many people here heaven05 Nov 2017 #155

Dear Goddess... sheshe2 Nov 2017 #159

++ heaven05 Nov 2017 #161

I assume that Biden, Sanders and Warren will all run. StevieM Nov 2017 #168

OK...but there shouldn't be any great push from above in the party Ken Burch Nov 2017 #173

I agree but I would argue that nothing like that happened in 2016 either. StevieM Nov 2017 #174

It is a very interesting list, and I respect the work you put together in creating it. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #175

The reason I listed the mayors is because they have both talked about running. StevieM Nov 2017 #185

If Warren were to run, I would especially say Bernie should not run. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #186

I see what you are saying. I just figure that a lot of candidates are going to overlap each other. StevieM Nov 2017 #187

i watched the hearings as well and i didnt get that from joe.. samnsara Nov 2017 #108

OMG! You're right! A pattern and a theme. (I wonder why.) NurseJackie Nov 2017 #67

Thank you for posting this pattern Gothmog Nov 2017 #73

It's not a pattern. I posted this because there were suddenly all these threads pushing for Biden Ken Burch Nov 2017 #85

The pattern is very very clear Gothmog Nov 2017 #87

HOLY SHIT, I see an AGENDA Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #104

that whole heaven05 Nov 2017 #157

Some of our best progressive politicians have lost previous campaigns and battles. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #158

I cannot understand heaven05 Nov 2017 #160

Nice The Polack MSgt Nov 2017 #172

LOL! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #24

It's created as a backdoor way for people to t-off on Biden. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #39

No. It's just fair comment about where are party should go. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #62

Hmmm BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #69

I posted in response to lots of other threads pushing a Biden candidacy. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #89

Yet here you are talking about 2020. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #86

In response to threads pushing a presidential candidate when we shouldn't be talking about that yet. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #88

Please. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #97

It is weird to me because to me you do this Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #99

not really heaven05 Nov 2017 #156

You don't just "respond". You treat me like I'm your mortal enemy. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #103

You stated I am fixated on you. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #125

OK, I withdraw the term fixated. I apologize for using a term Ken Burch Nov 2017 #133

You keep getting hammered by many here. moda253 Nov 2017 #150

It can't be impermissible simply to say that a particular person shouldn't run for president. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #153

It seems it is roughly Biden's thinking too muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #112

I believe that is a measured response TexasTowelie Nov 2017 #114

Hillary's campaign was about the future but white men did not want it JI7 Nov 2017 #4

I campaigned for Hillary after she was nominated. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #8

Nobody did that... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #25

That is ultimately Biden's decision, but I think in the end he will agree DFW Nov 2017 #5

What happens next? Full equality of women. delisen Nov 2017 #6

And I agree with you about full equality for women. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #7

Your words. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #92

That part is not true. BOTH of them backed full equality for women. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #98

In the age of Trumps misogyny and racism what message does running a white male send? Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #9

It sends the message that some white men are enlightened feminists oberliner Nov 2017 #11

Biden has a lot of POC appeal Cosmocat Nov 2017 #22

Not really. EffieBlack Nov 2017 #46

Sends the same old message it has always sent. Orsino Nov 2017 #146

He should definitely run oberliner Nov 2017 #10

Why not just turn it over to the next generation? Ken Burch Nov 2017 #13

Why should Biden feel compelled to surrender? TexasTowelie Nov 2017 #16

I didn't say he should "surrender". Ken Burch Nov 2017 #107

You're splitting hairs and playing word games. This doesn't help... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #110

Yeah, right. TexasTowelie Nov 2017 #113

Some folks value age and experience oberliner Nov 2017 #17

"Why not open things up to a variety of strong options?" Yes... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #28

Finally, you get to the crux of your various responses. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #126

LOL NurseJackie Nov 2017 #140

Agreed, that is my typical response. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #142

Emphasis on DEMOCRATS... ehrnst Nov 2017 #144

I suppose that I could explain it to you. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #147

+1 TexasTowelie Nov 2017 #15

Sure he should. 8 years of trump would be go great. Jakes Progress Nov 2017 #82

Completely disagree - 4 years of 45 Cosmocat Nov 2017 #14

I would love to have his voice in the primary. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #18

"Start with Biden in order to get where you really want to go." BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #41

I'm pretty sure they are operating off of a template. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #42

I'm not in any "they". Ken Burch Nov 2017 #50

Template seems to be working. Stick with it. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #54

Indeed it is! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #57

I don't have a template. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #66

NCTraveler is not being hostile to you... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #70

"I've done nothing to merit your hostility. " NCTraveler Nov 2017 #72

Why does it matter that I said things about her sixteen months ago? Ken Burch Nov 2017 #90

This is great. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #91

I've changed my mind about her and apologized for what I said in the past. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #93

I brought it up once. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #95

You threatened to repost what I posted then. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #105

How is reposting something that you posted previously a threat? TexasTowelie Nov 2017 #122

I don't trash Democratic politicians. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #124

Your posts prove otherwise and most of us realize the game you are playing. TexasTowelie Nov 2017 #127

So happy to see I'm not alone in my observations. NurseJackie Nov 2017 #59

Topic line hedging feelings over the yearning to silence a popular Democrat. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #20

I honestly LIKE Joe. He's been a great Dem. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #52

You are VERY observant and VERY astute... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #55

Completely Agree!! cally Nov 2017 #23

The next election should be half politics/half psychology. The country is damaged. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #27

Against TRUMP age not so much a factor.... ollie10 Nov 2017 #29

Agree. We need to go with the next generation left-of-center2012 Nov 2017 #30

He's free to run in the Primary if he wishes, just as you are free to vote for another candidate emulatorloo Nov 2017 #131

I don't believe he could win Denis 11 Nov 2017 #31

That went away after the VP...and he helped President Obama tremendously in 12 Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #80

You seem to be describing my early preference for 2020, Pete Buttigieg. Nt stevenleser Nov 2017 #194

OK, give him a chance. Denis 11 Nov 2017 #199

Our next President will need to know how all governing bodies worked before the lsos randr Nov 2017 #32

I agree with you 100%. You have expressed my sentiments and thoughts precisely. Thank you. WheelWalker Nov 2017 #34

I couldn't disagree with you more, comrade. WheelWalker Nov 2017 #33

IMO (solely) I believe that by election time the vast COLGATE4 Nov 2017 #35

Pass the torch, Joe Achilleaze Nov 2017 #36

While I doubt that Biden will or should be the nominee, I think he should define his version of what karynnj Nov 2017 #37

He should run if he chooses. So should anyone else. moriah Nov 2017 #40

The SNL sketch was right on the money. Atman Nov 2017 #43

just my opinion bdamomma Nov 2017 #64

Trump managed...it is not about age...and I will vote for whoever wins. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #81

Ryan's "young" but he has the soul of an venal old asshole emulatorloo Nov 2017 #134

I disagree strongly Gothmog Nov 2017 #45

Id prefer someone who didnt try to drive a stake in desegregation and allow Thomas on the SC EffieBlack Nov 2017 #47

Everyone got put on the court in those days. It was and should be the president's choice. Advice and Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #83

No, they didnt EffieBlack Nov 2017 #162

Fortas broke the rules...and Bork Used drugs...and that is two in how many years? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #163

Bork was blocked because he used drugs? Okaaay. EffieBlack Nov 2017 #164

He smoked Marijuana...and admitted it and yes it was used to block him. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #192

No. EffieBlack Nov 2017 #193

Yep you are correct... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #200

If he's a winner, we run him. Iggo Nov 2017 #48

Biden this very morning said it best, Let's see where America is in a year and a half. Sunlei Nov 2017 #49

That's my point. It should all be left 'til after 2018. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #111

People love him. He will be on many interviews, help Ds in the midterms, promote his new book & Sunlei Nov 2017 #138

Any Democrat that wants to run should run. joshcryer Nov 2017 #51

Donald's age didn't stop him treestar Nov 2017 #53

and of course being qualified for bdamomma Nov 2017 #68

people will run...the voters will choose...and then we vote for the nominee...we have no control Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #76

Step off, Joe. Ken the Burch has UNANOINTED you. betsuni Nov 2017 #94

Oh dear! LOL! :-D You crack me up! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #102

+1 TexasTowelie Nov 2017 #128

Ouch! Nooooooooo sheshe2 Nov 2017 #139

Joe could handle dotard in a debate bathroommonkey76 Nov 2017 #96

Hillary pulverized trump in all debates lunamagica Nov 2017 #116

So you are suggesting Hillary should run again? bathroommonkey76 Nov 2017 #117

What I'm saying is that winning a debate won't win an election lunamagica Nov 2017 #118

I don't believe that at all bathroommonkey76 Nov 2017 #119

I agree with all she had to deal with, but I'm not sure the next Dem candidate won't lunamagica Nov 2017 #120

Winning the debates, among other successes, had HRC ready to win by a decisive margin. StevieM Nov 2017 #165

Joe would make a great president. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #100

awhile back i would have agreed with you but trump has ruined America.. samnsara Nov 2017 #106

We need to nominate the individual who has the best change of beating ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #115

I agree Awsi Dooger Nov 2017 #123

Age has nothing to do with it, but message does. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #129

That is a far better expression of what I tried to express in the OP than my own words. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #136

He's free to run in the primary if he wishes, just as you are free to support another candidate emulatorloo Nov 2017 #132

Well, Biden would trounce Trump...What other Dem would? n/t blitzen Nov 2017 #143

True. He failed to win the nomination twice. Came in 5th behind HRC in Iowa in 2008. ehrnst Nov 2017 #145

The only people that get to decide that LiberalFighter Nov 2017 #154

His time was 2016. jalan48 Nov 2017 #182

and we need candidates who have a track record of fighting for progressive change yurbud Nov 2017 #188

Hes not my choice but I think he should run. He would be a great stevenleser Nov 2017 #195

I don't think he's right for 2020. But if he is nominated I'll be super happy Bucky Nov 2017 #196

Yes, he should budkin Nov 2017 #197

I'm keeping my eye on Martin O'Malley. vlyons Nov 2017 #201