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Johnny Rico

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119. Fair point.

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:07 PM

Jul 2012

But when someone simply asserts that all guns should be banned without repealing the 2nd Amendment, or asserts that political speech they don't like should be illegal, they are expressing contempt (or simply ignorance...or both).

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Would you support repeal of the Second Amendment? [View all] Not Me Jul 2012 OP

Waaaay too late to do that without firing some shots. n/t dogknob Jul 2012 #1

We did that, it was called The Civil War. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #145

The 2nd amendment had enlightenment Jul 2012 #152

Yes, and IMO it existed because the slave states wanted to keep armies Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #156

Please explain, through grammar, history and case law... PavePusher Jul 2012 #171

If you choose to believe enlightenment Jul 2012 #213

So you don't think the fact that the Framers just fought a war Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #248

The confiscation of firearms Confusious Jul 2012 #261

that is a very ignorant MrDiaz Jul 2012 #154

I know my history thank you Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #158

There is a place for the second amendment, but not the Skidmore Jul 2012 #2

You are surrounded, every day, by items that can be used as weapons. PavePusher Jul 2012 #174

Yep, guns are good. I got the message. They are always good and Skidmore Jul 2012 #187

Not at all what I said, of course... PavePusher Jul 2012 #205

Bingo! Myrina Jul 2012 #194

Yes. However, it will never ever happen. Cooley Hurd Jul 2012 #3

There will always be extreme views on both sides, it does not mean we crazyjoe Jul 2012 #11

The 10th amendment... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #251

That's a stereotype krispos42 Jul 2012 #253

Never said it WAS on DU... Cooley Hurd Jul 2012 #271

Re work it at least. xchrom Jul 2012 #4

This place cracks me up N.I.O.F. Jul 2012 #32

? NeverEnuff Jul 2012 #53

Who regulates the militia? Hatchling Jul 2012 #249

I wouldn't vote in this poll. Don't want a truckload of ammonium nitrate to show up on my doorstep. onehandle Jul 2012 #5

That brings up another point. This theater shooter bastard also had bombs in his apartment. Zalatix Jul 2012 #91

You might as well vote now. bluedigger Jul 2012 #133

Yes. Because it has been consistently & deliberately misinterpreted throughout it's history. baldguy Jul 2012 #6

+10000000 etherealtruth Jul 2012 #208

What's next? 1 through 10 in an orderly progression? geckosfeet Jul 2012 #7

Nope. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #8

Never n/t GarroHorus Jul 2012 #9

Hell no, then only the criminals will have the guns, with no fear of law abiding citizens. crazyjoe Jul 2012 #10

You do realize that they have stricter gun control then we have? n/t eridani Jul 2012 #14

I'd like to think he was writing satire... But then I remember Poe's Law, and feel sad n/t Scootaloo Jul 2012 #19

don't be sad, I know it's hard to comprehend that if guns are outlawed for everyone, crazyjoe Jul 2012 #22

Think about what you're saying. It's inherently fucking dumb Scootaloo Jul 2012 #114

I guess with the lack of anything intellegent to say, you can always call someone fucking dumb. crazyjoe Jul 2012 #279

not if we repeal the 2nd amendment they wouldn't. Are you following the conversation? crazyjoe Jul 2012 #20

So you're saying Canada has a Second Amendment? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #26

Much stricter. ALL handguns are either prohibited or restricted. RC Jul 2012 #147

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Zoeisright Jul 2012 #115

Agreed CbtEngr01 Jul 2012 #258

Holmes was wearing full body armor CJCRANE Jul 2012 #269

It's not necessary. People should have a reasonable and responsible right to bear arms, cecilfirefox Jul 2012 #12

btw, based on the 75-25 split this poll is taking on a "liberal message board", i don't think crazyjoe Jul 2012 #13

...just trying to get the collective feeling of those here Not Me Jul 2012 #15

The poll merely backs up my view that many liberal and progressive individuals ... spin Jul 2012 #48

My wife and I do...and she just ordered No weapons signs for her clinic. ileus Jul 2012 #49

The founder's intent quaker bill Jul 2012 #16

Was it the Founder's intent for the 1st Amendment to only allow people to use a quill & inkwell? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #23

I think Gutenberg invented the press in the 16th century quaker bill Jul 2012 #164

So you'll generously allow the use of the printing press as it pertains to the 1st Amendment? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #168

You misread well quaker bill Jul 2012 #274

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #212

And since they distrusted a standing army, they wrote the 2nd amend to establish "militias" apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #99

The gun culture won't like that. But, so what. Hoyt Jul 2012 #117

True: though they seem to wake up every day salivating about a "Red Dawn" scenario apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #128

This ^^^^^ Kalidurga Jul 2012 #203

You are totally making things up. former9thward Jul 2012 #231

What about the current Natl Guardsman? CbtEngr01 Jul 2012 #260

Except there's no evidence whatsoever Yamamoto said any such thing caraher Jul 2012 #272

I beg to differ but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #166

America Loves Its Guns MORE Than Its Children! CBGLuthier Jul 2012 #17

Not sure I've seen the data on that poll. Link? dmallind Jul 2012 #47

No, I would support registration and insurance for gun owners to carry in public. SecularMotion Jul 2012 #18

Ridiculous argument that only gives Republicans ammo. UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #21

Actually, only 33 states would have to sign on. LAGC Jul 2012 #27

I sure would if I could. But it won't happen in this country and it is one of the things that is CTyankee Jul 2012 #24

No ProfessorGAC Jul 2012 #25

What restrictions on numbers, firepower, and ammunition types do you advocate? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #29

You're The Expert Then ProfessorGAC Jul 2012 #50

My personal take on it: Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #69

Well, We're Of Different Minds Then ProfessorGAC Jul 2012 #88

As I've explained a few times already today: Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #96

Well, a renewed ban on assault weapons and a limit on the amount of ammo ... soccer1 Jul 2012 #63

We'll certainly have to agree to disagree on the cosmetic features ban (otherwise known as the AWB). Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #70

I don't know. soccer1 Jul 2012 #84

If you don't know then what's your point? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #90

Educate me.....if you don't mind..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #95

It's actually much quicker to list the states that don't allow citizens to own machine guns: Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #116

Thank you for your reply..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #123

No discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #125

So, these weapons are still being made and sold in the U.S? soccer1 Jul 2012 #127

As the other response said... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #140

Okay. Thnaks soccer1 Jul 2012 #143

The so-called "AWB" didn't really ban anything but certain combinations of features. PavePusher Jul 2012 #178

Thanks, anyway! soccer1 Jul 2012 #195

Assault weapons vs. machine guns: Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #135

Well, this is depressing........ soccer1 Jul 2012 #148

The term is quite accurate. A semiautomatic firearm is one which fires once per pull of the trigger Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #150

"I do not understand a society that condones citizens owning semiautomatic weapons..." PavePusher Jul 2012 #182

Yes, I know the response...guns don't kill, people kill..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #201

Most firearms can be used for hunting. PavePusher Jul 2012 #209

Yes, I know that about the second amendment..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #215

The difference is one of them gives a gun nut wood,...and it's not the wooden one.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #229

Sorry, I don't share your sexual fetishes. PavePusher Jul 2012 #265

LOL!!! Those aren't MY thoughts. It's theirs. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #267

Question about the silencer Progressive dog Jul 2012 #157

High quality silencers don't wear out quickly. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #161

Why do you own all those guns? soccer1 Jul 2012 #86

A number of reasons. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #93

Investment...okay..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #97

Regarding selling them: Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #103

So, technicaly, you could sell your assault weapons to a person who wants it to commit a crime...... soccer1 Jul 2012 #105

Sure I could. Just as I could sell my car to someone who wants to use it to commit a crime. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #118

I think I'm a fairly reasonable person..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #122

re: "This should be a federal law" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #126

Thank you. So, intra-state sales of firearms are controlled by the states? soccer1 Jul 2012 #129

Exactly discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #141

Okay. I'll have to get busy researching my state's firearm laws. I imagine... soccer1 Jul 2012 #142

You may also... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #144

Thank you soccer1 Jul 2012 #149

Law banning private sales of firearms are in place in some states such as California. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #132

Apparently, he bought them at gun shops, if the reporting is accurate. soccer1 Jul 2012 #134

Again, we'll have to simply agree to disagree. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #138

Why would the banning and confiscation of guns result in thousands of deaths? soccer1 Jul 2012 #169

A lot of gunowners take the phrase, "Out of my cold dead hands" very seriously. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #177

I don't mean to criticize. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #151

I'm not sure I agree with you that it is a right of free people to be armed...but.... soccer1 Jul 2012 #155

I love to elaborate but I'm a bit busy. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #160

Safe trip back to Philly..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #170

"...willing to learn..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #173

Yep, I like to gather facts..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #179

My thoughts discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #233

Do you believe people who visit mental health therapists or are on some type of soccer1 Jul 2012 #234

No. In general... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #245

You seem to be an intelligent and articulate person. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #153

Second that. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #180

Agreed. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #200

"It makes absolutely no sense to me that a person should be allowed to buy an assault weapon." PavePusher Jul 2012 #186

I do understand your point about any type of gun being capable of killing multiple numbers of people soccer1 Jul 2012 #193

AR- and AK-pattern rifles are quite useful for hunting. PavePusher Jul 2012 #206

I understand. soccer1 Jul 2012 #217

That is the fly in the ointment sarisataka Jul 2012 #230

each one has a job to do CbtEngr01 Jul 2012 #263

Why do you have that much ammo? DiverDave Jul 2012 #92

Because it amuses me to have it. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #94

"sorta raises a red flag." PavePusher Jul 2012 #184

i'm with you prof SaveAmerica Jul 2012 #36

You've contradicted yourself. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #130

nope, you're not comprehending where i'm coming from SaveAmerica Jul 2012 #242

"...and imagine i would like the sense of peace i would have in that culture." PavePusher Jul 2012 #189

the discussion is about guns and our 2nd amendment SaveAmerica Jul 2012 #237

Just the opposite really. PavePusher Jul 2012 #266

Absolutely not. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #28

With you. Marinedem Jul 2012 #61

The contempt some have here for the Constitution is sickening. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #68

uhhhhh, the constitution provides for amendments, including repeal of previous amendments.... unblock Jul 2012 #111

Fair point. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #119

+10 emilyg Jul 2012 #246

Absolutely not... MicaelS Jul 2012 #30

Do you believe the assault weapon ban should be renewed? soccer1 Jul 2012 #67

I'm Advocating a 'War on Nuts' Iggy Jul 2012 #31

I think we may have to work on our interpretation of that amendment as a nation TBF Jul 2012 #33

Another No vote here.... DLine Jul 2012 #34

No TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #35

Repeal? Absolutely not. Lawlbringer Jul 2012 #37

I hate guns but even I would say 'no' LynneSin Jul 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author GarroHorus Jul 2012 #41

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #46

Very good post permatex Jul 2012 #216

This message was self-deleted by its author GarroHorus Jul 2012 #218

dealers ive seen do CbtEngr01 Jul 2012 #262

It makes me happy to see DU being so pro-constitution GarroHorus Jul 2012 #39

ITA, Garrohorus n/t Mimosa Jul 2012 #101

No. BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #40

No... and it disgusts me that you would even post this. stlsaxman Jul 2012 #42

It's already been repealed through reinterpretation. mmonk Jul 2012 #43

A horrible idea that would end in blood. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #44

No edhopper Jul 2012 #45

No, but a "well regulated militia" is a far cry from assault weapons Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #51

We have waiting periods and ID requirements hack89 Jul 2012 #54

Yeah - well tell the member arguing with me about why we shouldn't. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #56

Just remember that gun violence is at historic lows and steadily declining hack89 Jul 2012 #59

Yeah - I didn't go to the Safeway in Tucson, the movies in Aurora Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #64

It is the truth hack89 Jul 2012 #65

"assault weapon" isn't a real term 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #72

Thanks - I'll keep using it then. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #74

Sure if you like, but it just makes you sound ignorant 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #78

But it FEELS oh so good, Tejas Jul 2012 #81

I'll take that too. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #85

You're proud of being ignorant? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #113

Pride in ignorance?!?! PavePusher Jul 2012 #192

Someone wants to call me "ignorant" because I don't care to know Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #202

No, it's because you've been promoting government action based on fear and ignorance. PavePusher Jul 2012 #210

Repeal the 2nd Amendment? No. Just... No. mwooldri Jul 2012 #52

No, I don't support the repeal fredamae Jul 2012 #55

Ummmmmmmmm permatex Jul 2012 #219

Yes, I would..... soccer1 Jul 2012 #57

No KamaAina Jul 2012 #58

Please explain, through grammar, history and case law.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #196

Clearly the framers intended for the right to be exercised within the framework of a militia KamaAina Jul 2012 #199

So, no citations. Got it. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #207

It's too late for that, BUT SoCalDem Jul 2012 #60

I hate guns but repealing the second amendment? No. Initech Jul 2012 #62

No. n/t Daniel537 Jul 2012 #66

It's refreshing to see No leading Yes by nearly 3 to 1 slackmaster Jul 2012 #71

Every time someone gives a speech that incites others to riot and commit violence 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #73

Would support scaling it back but not complete repeal. Erose999 Jul 2012 #75

No, but I wouldn't mind seeing tighter laws. nt auburngrad82 Jul 2012 #76

Sure, no sense in enforcing the ones we already have. Tejas Jul 2012 #80

Sure, I love repeat offenders auburngrad82 Jul 2012 #112

They're "repeat" because they don't care about laws. Tejas Jul 2012 #120

I didn't say new laws, now did I? auburngrad82 Jul 2012 #121

Oh, okay, "tighten" as in.....what? Tejas Jul 2012 #124

I'm not going to bother auburngrad82 Jul 2012 #136

Well, if you refuse to give any examples then good luck on Tejas Jul 2012 #137

NFWIH. If guns are outlawed, only outlaws, and the 1% controlled cops/government, will have guns. Zorra Jul 2012 #77

start with #1, repeal them all. Tejas Jul 2012 #79

No Mimosa Jul 2012 #82

hell no rollin74 Jul 2012 #83

I guess alot of people DiverDave Jul 2012 #87

I guess you think the rest of the planet is gun-crime free? Tejas Jul 2012 #100

Like me with nearly 9K posts? Mimosa Jul 2012 #106

Yeah..for sure.. Upton Jul 2012 #109

I am a "people", therefore the Right is mine. PavePusher Jul 2012 #197

Only in favor of an expanded version. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #89

Absolutely not. closeupready Jul 2012 #98

I support more emphasis on the "well-regulated" clause n/t Retrograde Jul 2012 #102

No: it should simply be interpreted correctly. Five right-wing scumbags on the Supreme Court apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #104

No way... Upton Jul 2012 #107

heck no. fascisthunter Jul 2012 #108

The Bill of Rights is untouchable. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #110

Where were the CCW holders? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #131

Training is a good thing! Darkness, tear gas, a panicked crowd... slackmaster Jul 2012 #175

Did not answer my question. HockeyMom Jul 2012 #181

The answer to your question is unknown and unknowable slackmaster Jul 2012 #183

It didn't HELP either HockeyMom Jul 2012 #185

If it does no harm, freedom of choice is inherently good slackmaster Jul 2012 #188

UPDATE - HockeyMom, I may have to revise my answer based on another thread... slackmaster Jul 2012 #224

They were respecting the rules of the establishment. beevul Jul 2012 #268

So now you want to ensure there is a lawfully armed person at every venue? PavePusher Jul 2012 #198

Obeying the "no guns allowed" signs would be my guess. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #281

No - but I would support a National Curriculum to instill a sense of empathy in kids Taverner Jul 2012 #139

no, but it should be interpreted within the boundaries of reason and we need to adopt gun control Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #146

No nt Raine Jul 2012 #159

I love the results of this poll. Zax2me Jul 2012 #162

NO. Just because a few abuse it, NashvilleLefty Jul 2012 #163

Yes, with some exceptions. moondust Jul 2012 #165

No Marrah_G Jul 2012 #167

if you can ban Kinder chocolate reorg Jul 2012 #172

No, but it needs to be revised. Great Caesars Ghost Jul 2012 #176

More wankery sendero Jul 2012 #190

Not sure. Vattel Jul 2012 #191

Looks like bongbong Jul 2012 #204

Not just yes, but, hell yes etherealtruth Jul 2012 #211

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #214

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE AMMO YOHABLO Jul 2012 #220

No. But I do support the ban on semi-automatics. Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #221

Which ban? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #222

Any ban that makes 'em illegal. Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #223

What should be done... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #227

I guess you deal with it, right? Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #228

Most guns... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #232

Imagine how many will be out in 10, 20, 30 years... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #236

That's rather unrealistic. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #243

I don't think so... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #244

I don't believe... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #247

So, what's the answer then? Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #252

IMHO it's not a problem with only 1 dimension. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #256

I agree... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #257

best always discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #259

What a STUPID fucking question... Let's repeal the Bill of Rights! Yeah... THAT'S the ticket! cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #225

Gov. Rendell cited a law in his state, EmeraldCityGrl Jul 2012 #226

So if he had no access to guns.... EX500rider Jul 2012 #235

Any party openly going after part of the bill of rights will suffer severe election losses JVS Jul 2012 #238

No n/t OhioChick Jul 2012 #239

I only support tighter regulation, but not a repeal. n/t cynatnite Jul 2012 #240

No. What's next? banning sporks? ChromeFoundry Jul 2012 #241

It is a slippery slope indeed slackmaster Jul 2012 #276

I could go for that treestar Jul 2012 #250

That's just silly. No political support for that. Loudly Jul 2012 #254

Repeal would not alter fact RKBA is still an unalienable right and would be protected by the 9th. nt jody Jul 2012 #255

If the Democratic Party supported that, it would be the end of the party. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #264

Repeal and Replace! TeamPooka Jul 2012 #270

way too late to corrall those horses. n/t Sheepshank Jul 2012 #273

No. HappyMe Jul 2012 #275

Still pleased the NO vote is over 70% nt GarroHorus Jul 2012 #277

Yes, and do a house-to-house confiscation of all guns in the US by SWAT teams. Dash87 Jul 2012 #278

If nothing else it's very badly written caraher Jul 2012 #280