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GreenStormCloud

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74. Self-defense is a basic human right.

Reply to Fearless (Reply #54)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:30 PM

Jul 2012

Therefore access to effective tools of self-defense is also a right.

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If you love your guns more than your children, something is wrong [View all] DainBramaged Jul 2012 OP

Something is definitely wrong. Skidmore Jul 2012 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author GarroHorus Jul 2012 #2

I see your first reaction is to worry about your guns DainBramaged Jul 2012 #4

Violence is the cowards way. BlueinOhio Jul 2012 #39

+10000 n/t Control-Z Jul 2012 #127

"Grab guns" is an NRA slogan and another right wing complaint without substance... rfranklin Jul 2012 #7

With that in mind... pipoman Jul 2012 #8

How does that relate to right wing NRA slogans? rfranklin Jul 2012 #13

Cite please? Tejas Jul 2012 #97

Nothing to with crime rates. Ok. Guns have a lot to do with gun deaths, though. morningfog Jul 2012 #21

And cars have a lot to do with DWI deaths, pipoman Jul 2012 #29

Swimming pools and cars have purposes other than killing... rfranklin Jul 2012 #68

I use mine for entertainment (target practice)at the range. Not for killing. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #79

Ever shoot at a target that shows a person on it? rfranklin Jul 2012 #85

Piece of paper. No comparison. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #89

And what is the point of target practice? Control-Z Jul 2012 #129

It is fun? My hubby also target practices with his bow. Skeet shooting in the Olympics? nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #130

No, alcohol has everything to do with DWI deaths. -eom Control-Z Jul 2012 #128

Patience, patriot. Loudly Jul 2012 #76

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #78

Visit the gungeon for real hilarity bongbong Jul 2012 #100

Lone nut? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #12

Are you trying to influence others to come round Surya Gayatri Jul 2012 #15

interesting.. pipoman Jul 2012 #18

Our right to life .. 99Forever Jul 2012 #30

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2012 #81

Lots of "lone" gun totin' a-holes kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #33

If you'd rather hug your guns than your family something is wrong MattBaggins Jul 2012 #46

Here's a funny one GarroHorus Jul 2012 #59

Hardly one nut abelenkpe Jul 2012 #55

If you want to carry your gun everywhere because of a lone nut, something is wrong. n/t ieoeja Jul 2012 #60

I don't own a gun. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #61

Your concern for your guns instead of for the victims is touching. kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author GarroHorus Jul 2012 #96

'Grabbing guns'? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #108

The problem is theres a whole bushel of "lone nuts". Columbine, VA Tech, Tuscon, FT Hood, etc etc. Erose999 Jul 2012 #95

I didn't see a "grab everyone's guns" message in the OP. Zalatix Jul 2012 #113

Raise your hand if pipoman Jul 2012 #3

14 people dead is gibberish? rfranklin Jul 2012 #5

And you made my point for me DainBramaged Jul 2012 #6

Nah, pipoman Jul 2012 #9

Well we figured out where you stand pretty quick DainBramaged Jul 2012 #10

Oh, if it were only simple.. pipoman Jul 2012 #11

It probably not "that simple", but I'll tell you one thing that is.. whathehell Jul 2012 #20

Knives or baseball bats pipoman Jul 2012 #26

I'm sorry, but I think that's a stretch.. whathehell Jul 2012 #69

Given the circumstances, the patience, and the righteousness of of one's cause, it's not that much. LanternWaste Jul 2012 #77

Sorry... whathehell Jul 2012 #135

I don't see it either...that is just what I said.. pipoman Jul 2012 #134

The deadliest mass murders in the U.S. was done without guns. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #38

Yep justifying that gun aren't ya............you folks list those every time there is a massacre DainBramaged Jul 2012 #48

+10 whathehell Jul 2012 #80

Not everybody is so lucky Mimosa Jul 2012 #114

I'm well aware of that.. whathehell Jul 2012 #115

I gotcha. Mimosa Jul 2012 #117

Okay, Thanks... whathehell Jul 2012 #131

Relevance? Progressive dog Jul 2012 #65

Yes, bombs are bad as well, of course whathehell Jul 2012 #67

More people have gasoline and matches than have guns. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #73

That's nice. whathehell Jul 2012 #75

The point is that if you took his gun away he would still have easy access to other means. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #87

I know what you're saying, but I don't think the whathehell Jul 2012 #116

False claim. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #24

as well as a check against our own government DainBramaged Jul 2012 #25

You presume that all "true" dems/progressives remotely agree with you. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #34

/thread Tejas Jul 2012 #99

How's that Patriot Act working out for ya? Tejas Jul 2012 #98

HUH ????? zzaapp Jul 2012 #102

Agreed. sellitman Jul 2012 #14

If that were true, it would be sad.. pipoman Jul 2012 #16

Then why is this country awash in guns? RC Jul 2012 #35

All it takes is money to get pipoman Jul 2012 #41

All applicants at the local grocery store kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #43

which other enumerated civil liberties should we subject pipoman Jul 2012 #45

Well, if a psychological test kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #121

No, that is part of living in a free country.. pipoman Jul 2012 #132

I thought about adding that originally DainBramaged Jul 2012 #22

To legally buy a gun I have to submit to an NICS check. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #40

What a load of false premises. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #17

Leftie? Really? Leftie? DainBramaged Jul 2012 #23

Wow, that's a lot of presumptions. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #27

Nice try, the last thing any one here worries about is taking up their guns against the government DainBramaged Jul 2012 #31

Meanwhile, the vast majority of DU favors keeping the Second Amendment. LAGC Jul 2012 #56

Doesn't mean they're right. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #118

Setting fire to a field of straw men. tritsofme Jul 2012 #19

That's a whole bunch of disconnected twaddle dmallind Jul 2012 #28

Nice parade of strawmen. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #32

You have set up false dichotomies. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #36

I never have, and never will, understand this country's fascination with guns. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #37

Guns also save lives. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #42

So, why doesn't she just carry the gun and no ammo? mac56 Jul 2012 #47

Logic doesn't apply don't bother DainBramaged Jul 2012 #49

+1 mac56 Jul 2012 #107

Not everybody can afford to move Mimosa Jul 2012 #111

You pick up your stuff and move. There is no excuse to have to put up with crime, period DainBramaged Jul 2012 #120

Because some idiot might call her bluff? Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #51

Bluffing with a gun is good way to end up dead. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #70

But.. but.. I thought that was the point of your post. mac56 Jul 2012 #139

The threat was real, not a bluff. There is a huge difference. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #140

I buy shoes and ammo ileus Jul 2012 #44

Also, if you spend your life on Internet forums waiting to defend guns when there's a slaughter DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #50

Yep. Iggo Jul 2012 #52

Gun Rights ARE human rights Twoface Jul 2012 #53

Food and a home are human rights... Fearless Jul 2012 #54

Well, our Founding Fathers sure thought so. LAGC Jul 2012 #57

No they didn't actually. The US Bill of Rights is not a bill of human rights... Fearless Jul 2012 #62

Self-defense is a basic human right. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #74

No. Security is a human right. Guns are not harbingers of peace. Fearless Jul 2012 #124

Sure, keep believing that, oh by the way, can GLBT folks have the right to marry?? DainBramaged Jul 2012 #58

You won't get an answer skinner banned the troll twoface. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #64

Yes, as long as they don't buy guns ! zzaapp Jul 2012 #103

sleep well sweet, sweet prince... dionysus Jul 2012 #71

"If you hate life so much that all you wish for is the chance to shoot your gun at someone ... patrice Jul 2012 #63

Most of the pro-gun carry folks I've met are also Pro-Life, until of course the child is born DainBramaged Jul 2012 #82

Even if one agrees on certain clearly defined principles/values, FUCKED-UP confused thinking is patrice Jul 2012 #84

The people that fantasize Tejas Jul 2012 #94

omg that is arely staircase Jul 2012 #72

"who said that?" gun-hating brownshirts always think those things. Tejas Jul 2012 #83

no, who said they love guns more than children? the op is refering to someone, but doesn't say whom. arely staircase Jul 2012 #88

Yes, some would call that "trolling". Tejas Jul 2012 #90

so nobody actually said they love guns more than children? arely staircase Jul 2012 #91

I saw no link in the OP, did you? Tejas Jul 2012 #93

i just figured the op was referencing something people were familiar with. i didn't know it was all arely staircase Jul 2012 #105

Yup, looks like someone fantasizing out loud. Tejas Jul 2012 #106

If you use children as a prop to argue against constitutional rights 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #86

I think such fantasies are unhealthy. Tejas Jul 2012 #92

Go count your ammunition. enough is enough. DainBramaged Jul 2012 #119

Why do you suppose the NRA wanted these 14 people to die and 71 be injured? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #122

NRA needs to be taken DOWN HockeyMom Jul 2012 #101

By whom? zzaapp Jul 2012 #104

How, exactly, do you propose that they be "taken down"? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #137

At some point, I guess the decision will have to be made. AndyA Jul 2012 #109

When does the NRA and it's hacks stop making excuses for these massacres? DainBramaged Jul 2012 #110

What does that even mean? Zax2me Jul 2012 #112

Rush Limbaugh doesn't have any children. Major Hogwash Jul 2012 #123

I do love my kids sarisataka Jul 2012 #125

Wanna see some real hilarious dodging, ducking, equivocating, and logical pretzel-twisting? apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #126

You magnificent bastard! Major Hogwash Jul 2012 #133

Do these stalking horses and strawmen have names? TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #136

Don't you have a barrel to polish? DainBramaged Jul 2012 #138

Nope. Are you off your meds? The emotional fixation on figments isn't healthy TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #141

Meh DainBramaged Jul 2012 #142