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pnwmom

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Fri Oct 13, 2017, 05:29 PM Oct 2017

If we kept the Electoral College but eliminated winner-take-all, the popular candidate would win. [View all]

There is nothing in the Constitution that requires winner-take-all. That didn't happen till 1824, another election won by a popular vote loser.

The A.G.'s of non-swing states should sue on the grounds that our present Electoral College system denies "one person, one vote." It makes some votes -- those in the swing states -- more valuable than others.

BUT it is important that all states do this at once, which is why this would probably require a SCOTUS decision. Otherwise, states that switched to proportional representation would lose influence in the Electoral College.

http://www.fairvote.org/how-the-electoral-college-became-winner-take-all

The election of 1824 is most famous for the "corrupt bargain," a deal in the House of Representatives that gave John Quincy Adams the presidency despite his winning fewer popular and electoral votes than Andrew Jackson. But 1824 was also significant for another reason: it was the first election in which the majority of states used a statewide winner-take-all voting method for choosing their presidential electors.

It is a system that now seems like a fundamental part of the American democracy. Presidential candidates compete to win states, which is how they get votes in the Electoral College. The U.S. Constitution does not mandate that system, however. Instead, it is left up to the states to determine how they select their representatives in the Electoral College. For the first 13 presidential elections, spanning the first four decades of the history of the United States, states experimented with many different electoral systems.

The shift to statewide winner-take-all was not done for idealistic reasons. Rather, it was the product of partisan pragmatism, as state leaders wanted to maximize support for their preferred candidate. Once some states made this calculation, others had to follow, to avoid hurting their side. James Madison's 1823 letter to George Hay, described in my earlier post, explains that few of the constitutional framers anticipated electors being chosen based on winner-take-all rules.

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I have been saying this for the last 11 months at posts blaming the EC. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #1
It is a state level issue in one sense. But if only blue states were to do this, pnwmom Oct 2017 #2
SCOTUS would throw that out. Probably rule it as states-right thing. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #3
States aren't allowed to abrogate someone's civil rights. If it were determined that this pnwmom Oct 2017 #4
I honestly don't thing democrats or republicans would ever vote such a bill through. JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #5
But the Supreme Court could, on Constitutional grounds. See Lessig and Painter's essay. pnwmom Oct 2017 #9
One person - one vote was specifically *not* the founders' intent. unblock Oct 2017 #6
The electoral college wasn't winner-take-all till 1924. That is not part of the Constitution pnwmom Oct 2017 #7
"Not in the constitution" can mean different things unblock Oct 2017 #13
All good points ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #8
You're missing the point. I suggest you read Lessig and Painter's essay in post #7. pnwmom Oct 2017 #10
How can a court find something that is part of the Constitution ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #11
The constitution does not state that each state must give all their electoral votes to boston bean Oct 2017 #19
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that winner take all was in the Constitution ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #21
Not true, though it would be closer karynnj Oct 2017 #12
If we had to do this state by state the blue ones would likely be the first to split briv1016 Oct 2017 #14
I'm not talking about a federal law. I'm talking about a federal court decision pnwmom Oct 2017 #17
Good luck with that. briv1016 Oct 2017 #18
both of those have equal chance of happening, so i'd rather just push to get rid of EC. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #15
Can you explain how Hillary would have won under the EC approach you are proposing? onenote Oct 2017 #16
Yeah, hadn't thought about that ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #22
Well, there is the issue.. Adrahil Oct 2017 #20
ending winner take all wouldn't necessarily help dsc Oct 2017 #23
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