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113. TOTALLY on point! nt

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So many people here defending Columbus... [View all] ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author AngryAmish Oct 2017 #1

Well Columbus defenders... N_E_1 for Tennis Oct 2017 #2

De la Casas likely embellished because he preferred Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #6

Did this guy exaggerate when he said Columbus gave him a native woman as a slave? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #11

What does that have to do with De Las Casas? Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #14

Kinda what happened yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #24

As to the French and Brits, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #117

Uh 4th of July...all those dudes held slaves Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #143

Not sure what this means. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #156

You obviously don't know de las Casas. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #37

De Las Casas had an agenda and most historians Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #95

Probably? Seriously, you are going to argue probably? L. Coyote Oct 2017 #96

Uh no, he promoted enslaving Africans in lieu of Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #98

Says you. But you can't document that. Read what he wrote. He opposed slavery. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #108

Says history.... Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #129

The Russians are everywhere... Vinnie From Indy Oct 2017 #3

I suppose the Russians were also behind the desire to remove Confederate statues? nt ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #5

Russians played both sides on #BLM sharedvalues Oct 2017 #32

So were the Russians running the effort, or were they bit players. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #118

Russia seeded issues into public debate sharedvalues Oct 2017 #136

So now I want you to clarify something. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #154

But, whatabout the racism in the white house? sharedvalues Oct 2017 #178

Hey, at least you are conceding that I am not a Russian agent! It's a start! ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #181

TrumpRussia, TrumpRacism are both far more important. We have limited resources. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #182

That's where you are wrong. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #183

TrumpRussia and GOP racism now. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #184

Oh, come on. Orrex Oct 2017 #4

Russia propaganda TV in America - RT - has employees fleeing sharedvalues Oct 2017 #33

Wait. What? Orrex Oct 2017 #34

Russia, to divide Americans, uses RT and social media sharedvalues Oct 2017 #35

Right, but what does that have to do with what I posted? Orrex Oct 2017 #39

I'll give you three guesses.... jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #75

Oh. Russia created the story that Columbus Day is a real holiday. Orrex Oct 2017 #76

No. You missed my point. jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #79

Well, if it makes you feel any better, we're on the same page about that. Orrex Oct 2017 #102

It was 1492. It was a different world back then. History is was history is. Trust Buster Oct 2017 #7

The 1860s were a different time too. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #9

We committed massacres in Korea and Viet Nam in the 1950s and the 1960s based on the Trust Buster Oct 2017 #15

More than a "fool's errand," most of this is a wired-in hostility toward one's own Hortensis Oct 2017 #61

Bingo. Give this poster a cigar. Trust Buster Oct 2017 #71

TOTALLY on point! nt Raine Oct 2017 #113

Yes, but we also don't have a "Westmoreland Day" nt ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #119

Westmoreland was a general in the military fighting in a foreign war 50 years ago. Trust Buster Oct 2017 #138

I'm interested to find out what you think "myopic" means. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #139

For better or for worse, the guy is credited with discovering america. I doubt that will change. Trust Buster Oct 2017 #141

I am not trying to change that, so much as trying to make sure we are not honoring the man ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #155

There is no "Italian-American Day." WinkyDink Oct 2017 #83

History is now loyalsister Oct 2017 #150

No one here is defending Columbus oberliner Oct 2017 #8

If you are not interested in changing the name, then you are implicitly defending the man. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #10

That's your formulation oberliner Oct 2017 #12

You agree that naming a town after a man confers an honor, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #13

How far do you want to take this? Columbia is the poetic name for America - you think Midwestern Democrat Oct 2017 #110

South Park suggested British Columbia drop "Columbia" EllieBC Oct 2017 #111

How far do you? We are removing Confederate monuments, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #120

Really? Did you happen to see the thread I created on this topic? jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #77

Sure about that? Bradshaw3 Oct 2017 #106

I am not defending columbus tymorial Oct 2017 #16

The absurdity of applying 21st century value to the 15th century comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #40

Exactly yet sadly the use has become fashionable and expected. tymorial Oct 2017 #45

It's so much easier to jerk one's knee than it is to think. nocalflea Oct 2017 #57

Ahh yes, feelings. tymorial Oct 2017 #67

"The Age of Reason" - bah, who needs it. nocalflea Oct 2017 #68

Christopher Columbus was a slaver, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #121

America wiped out the Native Americans, yet we still celebrate this country. Correct? n/t USALiberal Oct 2017 #17

How Dare You! Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #97

Great point! n/t USALiberal Oct 2017 #148

The Confederates held slaves, and we are removing their monuments. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #122

We committed atrocities Polly Hennessey Oct 2017 #18

Amerigo Vespucci Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2017 #22

Thanks, dyedinthewoolliberal. Polly Hennessey Oct 2017 #63

Thanks, dyedinthewoolliberal. Polly Hennessey Oct 2017 #64

No one cares about Columbus day standingtall Oct 2017 #19

Echoing talking points of Russia and the GOP sharedvalues Oct 2017 #29

"Why do we think Columbus is suddenly such a hot topic?" Because Columbus Day is tomorrow! Towlie Oct 2017 #43

Which nobody remembers until they are reminded standingtall Oct 2017 #47

...... octoberlib Oct 2017 #86

Except my freaking credit union, who won't process payments that day. Coventina Oct 2017 #46

Columbus was a murder rockfordfile Oct 2017 #20

GOP (and Russia) talking point sharedvalues Oct 2017 #36

Talking point or not, it is true. pangaia Oct 2017 #65

It helps divide Dems. So GOP and Russia like it when we argue sharedvalues Oct 2017 #84

Well, then can we argue about..... beer brands? pangaia Oct 2017 #87

Columbus doesn't divide Dems. Everybody knows he was a racist POS, as were a lot of octoberlib Oct 2017 #88

I'm not a Columbus defender and am glad we (as a nation) are moving away from Columbus Day. Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2017 #21

spreading the gospel and superiority of christians. worked at the time nt msongs Oct 2017 #23

They're still at it ! YOHABLO Oct 2017 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Oct 2017 #25

Its a good thing Columbus Didn't come to Hawaii yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #26

Oh look, another thing to be outraged over Alea Oct 2017 #27

Ancestors...wha...? Iggo Oct 2017 #49

Good, because I don't have any connection to columbus Alea Oct 2017 #56

Do you care about the people who do care about it? Because we're on your side, right? Iggo Oct 2017 #60

Yeah you do gabeana Oct 2017 #100

Both sides of my family were here before columbus n/t Alea Oct 2017 #112

Exactly true Bettie Oct 2017 #92

Russians want to divide America and democrats sharedvalues Oct 2017 #28

Russia has nothing to do with this. It's about the false narrative they've been brain washing YOHABLO Oct 2017 #70

Russia is on social media now backing this talking point. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #85

Yesterday: anti-Putin protests all over Russia sharedvalues Oct 2017 #30

Follow Bill Browser: Magnitsky act, Russia's attacks on the west sharedvalues Oct 2017 #31

Columbus was a damn dirty liar,mass murder and rapist HipChick Oct 2017 #38

Any Columbus statues to tear down? ileus Oct 2017 #41

one in San Francisco yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #42

Eve ate an apple. Why are you not having a fit over that? sarah FAILIN Oct 2017 #44

Persephone ate six pomegranate seeds ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #48

THIS IS TRUE!! sarah FAILIN Oct 2017 #50

Why are we removing statues of Robert E. Lee? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #123

I believe you have very few posts sarah FAILIN Oct 2017 #151

Oh, oh I get it. My post count is lower than yours so I need not have an opinion! ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #159

The difference is, she has been here since 2008. She has a rapport. n/t musicblind Oct 2017 #165

Are you interested in making an argument? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #166

You may have more posts than me by next week at the rate you're going sarah FAILIN Oct 2017 #179

Once again, how does that mean my opinion matters less? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #180

I'm having a bout Turbineguy Oct 2017 #51

The logical conclusion for opponents would be Sneederbunk Oct 2017 #52

If it hadn't been Columbus, then who? Henry the Navigator? Captain Cook? And if so, would any demosincebirth Oct 2017 #53

I defend Columbus, I get day off with pay because of him. demosincebirth Oct 2017 #54

Hey, you got yours! Iggo Oct 2017 #55

lmao romanic Oct 2017 #73

I don't give a single shit about Columbus or his Day melman Oct 2017 #58

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #59

Oh? tenderfoot Oct 2017 #62

Look Columbus never got to America period, Historic NY Oct 2017 #66

We haven't yet seen the "CC discovered America" guy yet. longship Oct 2017 #72

Careful or you'll be accused of being a Russian spy for speaking the truth about Columbus jcmaine72 Oct 2017 #74

applying moral standards 500 years later is pretty disingenuous beachbum bob Oct 2017 #78

Then why not leave all those statues to Jeff Davis alone, eh? nt ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #124

When you say "So many people here defending Columbus" left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #80

I don't know about many Bradshaw3 Oct 2017 #105

1. Dresden. Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Vietnam. Iraq. 2. So basically you're saying that anywhere one human WinkyDink Oct 2017 #81

I always find it kind of bizarre to see historical figures judged by values that were not held milestogo Oct 2017 #82

I agree, I suppose Aristotle & Plato get the ax next. EX500rider Oct 2017 #89

Confederates fought for slavery and we want to get rid of their statues, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #126

There are many great historical figures who had slaves milestogo Oct 2017 #130

Do any of them have a national holiday named for them? nt ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #131

4th of July Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #149

Wait, there was a signor named "4th of July"? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #153

Washington's Birthday Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #168

Wait, there was a signor named "President"? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #169

Nope. Go to OPM and look up Federal Holidays Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #170

Are you kidding me? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #173

Well, I for one would rather find a less controversial name Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #174

I am in agreement with you. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #175

Most people here don't even know WHY it's a federal holiday Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #176

To be fair, it is easy to assume considering it is named after the guy. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #177

I have yet to see anyone Defend CC on DU. GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #90

I'm not defending but I did stop giving any fucks around 1572 cbdo2007 Oct 2017 #91

It makes no difference what he "discovered" ... what does matter is what he did and was... Ferrets are Cool Oct 2017 #93

I'm not "defending Columbus." I'm defending our right to not have really stupid fights ... Hekate Oct 2017 #94

Yes, exactly! nt Raine Oct 2017 #104

Go ahead and defend a holiday for the guy who took slaves. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #127

That's most of human history and all cultures at one time or another. There is no land... Hekate Oct 2017 #146

I agree about history, ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #158

+1. nt tblue37 Oct 2017 #152

Adam Ruins Everything - Christopher Columbus Was a Murderous Moron clutterbox1830 Oct 2017 #99

I don't care. Give me my day off back!! :P RandySF Oct 2017 #101

whatever... Raine Oct 2017 #103

How many righteous people who get tomorrow off as a Holiday will be taking it? brooklynite Oct 2017 #107

My office is closed, and our clients are also closed. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #128

These days i don't have any outrage left for this annual battle nini Oct 2017 #109

If we're going to start being scrupulously honest about our history, let's work backwards WinkyDink Oct 2017 #114

I used to laugh about that in grade school, 60 years ago......... raven mad Oct 2017 #115

I deal with it by spending the day honoring Peter Falk. Buns_of_Fire Oct 2017 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Oct 2017 #125

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #132

Time for some music! johnp3907 Oct 2017 #133

Finally someone is tackling this urgent issue. bluepen Oct 2017 #134

Trump said almost the same thing about Confederate statues... ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #140

So you think there is no more pressing issue. bluepen Oct 2017 #144

This is a right-wing argument that you are making. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #157

I figured you wouldnt address what I just said. bluepen Oct 2017 #162

Your point was that there are other more important issues, and I agree. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #163

So we agree, at least on the first point you noted. Sort of. bluepen Oct 2017 #164

You are trying to be rude. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #167

We agree again. Trump is a problem; guns are a problem. bluepen Oct 2017 #171

You might as well criticize DU posters for commenting about sports. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #172

Ha! looks like the biggest defense against your OP is to call you a Russian and the best argument lunasun Oct 2017 #135

It is disgusting -- it is EXACTLY like having a Happy Hitler Day in Germany obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #137

Every holiday, the righteous and pure tell me why not to engage or solemnize for my own good. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #142

You are speaking of your individual experience of the holiday, which is fine. ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #161

Good summary: Happy Bartolome day sharedvalues Oct 2017 #145

So should we eliminate Independence Day? Willie Pep Oct 2017 #147

Where did the bad "Independence" touch you? ExciteBike66 Oct 2017 #160