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Lee-Lee

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13. I think that the massive debt and mismanagement of the power company there will scare away anyone
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 06:37 AM
Oct 2017

who might have been the kind of person to otherwise come in an invest.

I was reading articles from before the hurricane about how the entire system was in horrible shape and billions in debt because the system gives away power to local governments and government agencies. You might think that's a good idea so police stations and the courthouse and such can operate with lower costs, and that was probably the intent. But the local governments have abused the crap out of it and caused the power company to go deep into debt.

Instead of just running their government offices from the free power they are running anything they can. One town put an outdoor ice skating ring up- in the tropics! Nobody does that because it costs an insane amount to power, but when your power is "free" it's all good. Another built a massive water park that gets all its power free. Lots of them but up buildings and then rent them to restaurants or stores with "free power" included in the rent.

It was a system only a half step from disaster before the hurricane, because there was so much debt and operating loss they were just barely keeping things going and only making and-aid repairs.

Nobody in the solar or other renewable game is going to want to touch that with a 10 foot pole until the problems in the agency and addressed.

Edited to add the link to the story I was reading now that I found it:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/business/dealbook/puerto-rico-power-authoritys-debt-is-rooted-in-free-electricity.html

The only hope of getting someone like Elon Musk in would be to dissolve the exist power company and hand him total control and power to do something new. But that would also delay getting power back on.

how do you pack dweller Oct 2017 #1
You got me! cbreezen Oct 2017 #2
Why I love DU so much.... Pachamama Oct 2017 #3
well, my first thought was to suggest dweller Oct 2017 #4
I am a Dr Who fan...as are many DUers...so a Tardis suggestion would have really been appropriate Pachamama Oct 2017 #6
🙏🏻 dweller Oct 2017 #7
well... keroro gunsou Oct 2017 #11
I think you are hitting upon an even bigger concept that needs to be looked at... Pachamama Oct 2017 #5
I am concerned that the people of Puerto Rico, like all of us, cbreezen Oct 2017 #12
Also wave energy should be explored. PR is in "the middle of an ocean...big water". brush Oct 2017 #33
Wind farms i.e. windmills would be great also Not Ruth Oct 2017 #39
Yes. It's wise to not rely on just one type of energy generation. Sort of like not putting all... brush Oct 2017 #40
I think most of those concepts have been looked at dumbcat Oct 2017 #18
I'm an idealist and I believe this can be done... cbreezen Oct 2017 #24
Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #8
Grid not that much relevant to source. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #9
You need about 5-7 acres per megawatt of solar. Kaleva Oct 2017 #30
Thanks, see data I posted, below - Post No. 41. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #42
As KyEnviro JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #10
It's always about the money... cbreezen Oct 2017 #17
Me too JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #19
Wouldn't this be more possible right now? cbreezen Oct 2017 #25
I think that the massive debt and mismanagement of the power company there will scare away anyone Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #13
Argh... cbreezen Oct 2017 #14
Sounds like the urban planners of Dubai and Puerto Rico love the bling Not Ruth Oct 2017 #38
Great idea, but there's not time to make that happen. MineralMan Oct 2017 #15
Maybe it can happen before the next hurricane, eh? cbreezen Oct 2017 #26
Yup. Straw Man Oct 2017 #32
It is inefficient to build things twice Not Ruth Oct 2017 #37
But their power came from a hydroelectric dam? Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #16
There is difficulty in "cleaning up" the public power company dumbcat Oct 2017 #20
A big mess! KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #44
There are already large solar farms on Puerto Rico csziggy Oct 2017 #21
Thanks for the info... cbreezen Oct 2017 #28
It hardly matters what the people of Puerto Rico want malaise Oct 2017 #22
Ahhhh... not you, too! cbreezen Oct 2017 #27
The US 1% decide what goes on in sovereign countries malaise Oct 2017 #31
I'm guessing the people of Puerto Rico want the electricity turned on. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2017 #23
the silver lining is DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #29
Yep this sure helps the independence movement malaise Oct 2017 #34
and Chavez DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #46
Is independence different than commonwealth? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #36
yes DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #47
Trump is driving the GOP/Oscar Rivera agenda of Puerto Rican independence? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #48
The answer: this is a shell game DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #50
Elon will bring Puerto Rico into the 22nd century Not Ruth Oct 2017 #35
PR Generation Potential, Pre-storm KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #41
I note no mention of hydro-electric... cbreezen Oct 2017 #51
Don't think hydro is viable. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #52
I guess one must make a decision... cbreezen Oct 2017 #53
You summed it up quite wisely. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #54
What a wonderful discussion... I'd almost forgotten cbreezen Oct 2017 #55
Thanks, Cbreeezen. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #56
It could be done but DT45 is more concerned with paying the "bonds holders" first or CK_John Oct 2017 #43
They are talking to Elon RandiFan1290 Oct 2017 #45
Elon could possibly pay off a great deal of Puerto Rican debt in exchange for providing their energy Not Ruth Oct 2017 #49
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