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14. I support the Dreamers, too, enthusiastically. But I think it was a mistake for them to go after

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 09:43 PM

Sep 2017

Pelosi. She is NOT the same as DT, but she and Schumer might be able to take advantage of DTs need for a success of some sort -- and his desire to take revenge on some of the R's he's mad at in Congress.

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Why California Undocumented Youth and I Interrupted Nancy Pelosis DREAM Act Press Conference [View all] HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 OP

Like Crabs in a Basket Xipe Totec Sep 2017 #1

Half of every big group is conservative, and half of those are trumpster types, Hortensis Sep 2017 #44

So they should shut up and be grateful for what little we give them you mean? Kentonio Sep 2017 #51

I would be especially delighted if all their anti-Democrat-left counterparts shut up, but Hortensis Sep 2017 #65

Did you think the same about BLM when they attacked people in the party? Kentonio Sep 2017 #68

And it lives. Sigh... Hortensis Sep 2017 #74

You seem to have quite strong views about how immigrants should behave Kentonio Sep 2017 #76

There are people who have quite strong views about what harassment a public servant ehrnst Sep 2017 #119

Who have they been attacking? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #95

Thanks for finding this leftstreet Sep 2017 #2

So, they blame both Democrats and Republicans? leftofcool Sep 2017 #3

The Funny Thing Is Me. Sep 2017 #6

I know she will because that is what she does and always has done leftofcool Sep 2017 #8

At this point, they dont trust anyone in government since DumpsterFire broke faith Warpy Sep 2017 #111

I Totally Disagree With The Last Paragraph Me. Sep 2017 #4

I agree. leftofcool Sep 2017 #7

Yep. fallout87 Sep 2017 #30

Thanks for posting. I was a teacher in Southern CA until a few BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #5

I support the Dreamers, too, enthusiastically. But I think it was a mistake for them to go after pnwmom Sep 2017 #14

Yes But There Are Some WhO Claim She'll Never Lift A Finger Me. Sep 2017 #15

Then they are stupid because she already has...and if they don't like Democrats then by all means Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #27

Quite Me. Sep 2017 #29

I agree that their protest was misdirected and should've been BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #16

Supposedly some of the leaders hate the Democratic Party. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #26

The problem I have here is that the people they silenced, that Pelsoi was giving a platform Ninsianna Sep 2017 #45

Oh a whole crowd of Sherlocks were convinced these people were The_Casual_Observer Sep 2017 #9

Most dreamers have been going after these people saying they don't speak for them JI7 Sep 2017 #10

I saw that...I tweeted Nancy and wrote her a letter too. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #25

+1 treestar Sep 2017 #85

Are they are going after Trump & Republicans delisen Sep 2017 #11

They aren't "going after" anyone loyalsister Sep 2017 #34

Let me re-phase: Is this group demonstrating against delisen Sep 2017 #37

They are like six loud mouthed idiots- She should have walked down with the mic to them snooper2 Sep 2017 #59

They silenced Dreamers who were a part of that press conference, who were Ninsianna Sep 2017 #67

What about the people who used them to attack Pelosi? ehrnst Sep 2017 #96

They stood their and shouted Nancy down...a person trying to help them while giving the GOP a pass. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #117

My comment to her on her article stevenleser Sep 2017 #12

I disagree with that line of reasoning. Some things are complicated and nuanced. Some things JCanete Sep 2017 #62

"Instruments of lies?" ehrnst Sep 2017 #98

Did you just go searching for every post I've made in the last couple days? If you don't have a JCanete Sep 2017 #99

You and I are posting on many of the same threads. ehrnst Sep 2017 #100

That's not, if you are actually interested in having a conversation. I was starting to doubt that. JCanete Sep 2017 #101

Which people? Which corporate media? ehrnst Sep 2017 #102

have you even bothered to go back to your other posts where you queried me on these things? I spoke JCanete Sep 2017 #103

I'm asking you your opinion of media more specifically. ehrnst Sep 2017 #104

It is not that I dismiss it entirely, it is that when they come out and say what I expect them to JCanete Sep 2017 #112

Can you point me to where the Globe said/implied this: ehrnst Sep 2017 #113

The first quote is the one R B Garr thinks is so salient. JCanete Sep 2017 #114

So that's the basis for your assumption that the Globe can't be trusted? ehrnst Sep 2017 #115

If they hadn't rushed the ACA they wouldn't have gotten it at all. You cannot account for everything JCanete Sep 2017 #118

You still haven't told me your metric for trusting a journalistic source. ehrnst Sep 2017 #120

They're interpretation of the information is not the same as the information. Good lord. JCanete Sep 2017 #122

Without reading the Globe article...what I hear you saying is that ehrnst Sep 2017 #124

No, the writer could be lying, but doesn't have to be lying. This person may not have looked JCanete Sep 2017 #125

But the media is the way in which the Vermont public would learn about the plan ehrnst Sep 2017 #126

oh fucking a. I'm not just saying it now. Go back and read my posts. I already said that JCanete Sep 2017 #128

More circles... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #130

how so? JCanete Sep 2017 #134

You know. Like you did. ehrnst Sep 2017 #135

I'm thinking you don't really have a case to make, and that you don't like to admit it when you JCanete Sep 2017 #136

How does it feel to be led in circles? ehrnst Sep 2017 #137

but I haven't presented a circular argument. I was very clear about how I think money influences JCanete Sep 2017 #138

That statement is fucking insulting, period. greeny2323 Sep 2017 #13

You think that's insulting? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #20

Well if you don't like the Democrats who have tried without Obama their would be no DACA...then Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #23

My point stands. Deportation is deportation. No matter who's doing it CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #42

This is about stopping deportation of dreamers. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #46

Why do you keep citing the TOS to me? It is factual what I said CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #73

I never threaten anyone...and we are supposed to support Democrats and it is not acceptable to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

you know that these groups have had to fight over the years to get the democrats to hear them and JCanete Sep 2017 #63

I've been thinking about this. TomSlick Sep 2017 #17

This was wrong...pure and simple. There is no excusing it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22

I agree. I was inexusable. TomSlick Sep 2017 #32

I don't agree...this was orchestrated by those who dislike the Democratic party in my opinion. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #47

Consider Hanlon's Razor TomSlick Sep 2017 #77

That is great...love that. Everyday I l learn something of value on DU. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #80

nobody thinks about nancy s feelings. Chipper Chat Sep 2017 #18

Unless they start interrupting republicans and going after them all I can say is this hurts the caus onecaliberal Sep 2017 #19

Exactly and further no Dem has ever gotten one vote treestar Sep 2017 #84

I have heard their excuses...but the fact is if we save the DACA kids it will Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #21

I can think of several California congressMEN who are evil and obnoxious... Hekate Sep 2017 #24

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Sep 2017 #33

Great post Hekate, thank you. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #41

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #131

As Salmon Rushdie said on Bill Mahr... Zoonart Sep 2017 #28

That is an excellent point...the GOP is the enemy of all progressives. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #48

Perfect. KPN Sep 2017 #55

They were wrong.. they accomplished nothing nini Sep 2017 #31

Well, if their intention was to cause supporters to become indifferent, they have succeeded. Glorfindel Sep 2017 #35

Don't say that. This was a small group who were manipulated by a Democratic hating Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #49

Wow. n/t demmiblue Sep 2017 #57

If you are so easily dissuaded then you weren't much of a supporter to begin with. NT LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #69

Yeah. Screw them trying to fight for their lives. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #70

When people in need are being used to protest liberals who are helping them ehrnst Sep 2017 #82

A stupefyingly awful sentiment. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #75

It's just bad judgment. Eyeball_Kid Sep 2017 #36

Thanks for posting Beringia Sep 2017 #38

Not all undocumented youth qualify for DACA OhioBlue Sep 2017 #39

They will not get everything...at this point, there is sympathy for Dreamers...we will not be Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #50

And that was part of their reason for protest - pitting people against one another gratuitous Sep 2017 #60

DACA protesting Pelosi reminds me of BLM protesting Bernie and MOM in the summer 2015 aikoaiko Sep 2017 #40

I saw how Bernie responded the BLM interruption of his rally. ehrnst Sep 2017 #132

Yes, HRC's contact with Mothers of the Movement was well organized. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #140

And very much appreciated. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #141

OK, but right now they (DACA beneficiaries) should be spending time helping Mexico haveahart Sep 2017 #43

No they shouldn't nor could they...the GOP is in charge, and they probably won't send aid. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #52

Um...you do know these are people brought here as kids Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #71

You mean you think Dreamers should leave the country, just when their status ehrnst Sep 2017 #133

I would be willing to bet this is RWNJ's / russian agitators and not DREAMers.. stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #53

Thanks Harmony saidsimplesimon Sep 2017 #54

After seeing what happened to a pathway to citizenship in '07, and Trumps actions on DACA, Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #56

I found interrupting Nancy's event in that LOUD disgusting, non-understandable screaming offensive Rene Sep 2017 #58

wow...its always better to characterize then to try to understand. These people are at huge risk. JCanete Sep 2017 #64

And they have been duped into believing that Pelosi doesn't support DACA. ehrnst Sep 2017 #87

You're right of course, but I didn't realize I was spewing bile, except perhaps by suggesting the JCanete Sep 2017 #90

It must have been tough for Ms White Privilege to have to deal Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #72

Who are you calling "Ms White Privilege?" Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #91

So we are pretending Pelosi doesn't have white privilege? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #105

Susan Sarandon was there? Or Jill Stein? ehrnst Sep 2017 #94

Yes. Only certain white people have white privilege. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #107

Well someone convinced these kids that Pelosi wasn't on their side ehrnst Sep 2017 #108

And that means she doesn't have white privilege? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #109

So you think that she deserved the attack ehrnst Sep 2017 #116

Like I said, wake me when they start pissing on GOP public events Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #61

Very good points... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #127

So these people aren't Dreamers? MGKrebs Sep 2017 #66

So why were they organized by someone to denounce Pelosi? ehrnst Sep 2017 #93

Many of the people in this thread need to check their privilege a little Kentonio Sep 2017 #78

DACA kids point of view CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #79

Thanks for posting JonLP24 Sep 2017 #129

Nobody worried about Nancy's feelings treestar Sep 2017 #83

Morals and law are not the same thing Kentonio Sep 2017 #88

The DACA kids were duped into protesting someone who is on their side. ehrnst Sep 2017 #89

Funny, this didnt used to be a problem. In the past you wouldnt see groups far better represented Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #92

I'll just leave this here: Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #142

I don't care about their excuses...the Dems are the only way to save the DACA kids and this sort of Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #86

The simple question to ask is: "how will this action help"? brooklynite Sep 2017 #97

I'll Go With No ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #106

President Obama tried to get an Immigration Reform Bill passed Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2017 #110

I think they protested the correct person. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #121

This is so crazy. ananda Sep 2017 #123

The protesters customerserviceguy Sep 2017 #139