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brooklynite

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31. If you get health care from your employer, you don't see yourself paying for premiums...

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:50 AM

Sep 2017

...it's a line on your paycheck, but you don't see it as part of your income that you're paying out.

The big problem with a switch-over is that there's no guarantee that the new taxation will be less than what you/your employer are covering today.

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I don't understand Bernie's Medicare for all [View all] wasupaloopa Sep 2017 OP

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No, it is not. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #2

Did he really say premiums would go away? Control-Z Sep 2017 #3

Yes he did there should be a video soon wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #4

Premiums would be replaced by big tax increases. Probably worth it, but I keep thinking about Hoyt Sep 2017 #6

Just a couple of quibles Egnever Sep 2017 #8

As I understand it, the necessary tax hike was more than any legislator had the guts to Hoyt Sep 2017 #10

Both of them faced similar problems I think Egnever Sep 2017 #12

I think California is plenty big, and they've been a leader in healthcare reform. But they Hoyt Sep 2017 #13

So you dismiss that the federal government plays a huge role in healthcare? Egnever Sep 2017 #14

No, but California even investigated getting a waiver to pool current Medicare, Medicaid, etc., Hoyt Sep 2017 #19

Even with the waiver Egnever Sep 2017 #20

Please explain how an employer might lose a "tax break" if they didn't have to pay as much toward Hoyt Sep 2017 #23

I will try Egnever Sep 2017 #43

Where does the government pay companies to provide insurance? Hoyt Sep 2017 #56

California doesn't administer Medicare. That in itself is an impediment KPN Sep 2017 #33

Medi-Cal is a pretty big system -- 12.5 million beneficiaries. And California has been a the Hoyt Sep 2017 #40

Nobody's ignoring the issues. KPN Sep 2017 #42

Have you ever consider the job losses involved? I tell you single payer won't work. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #21

Have you considered the jobs that would be created as a result of a KPN Sep 2017 #34

That of course is one of the huge difficulties Egnever Sep 2017 #44

Yay Not Ruth Sep 2017 #52

It's actually pretty important that people think of premiums as going away... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #5

Agreed Egnever Sep 2017 #15

Well...it won't be that way for everybody... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #16

Fair enough Egnever Sep 2017 #17

People hate taxes and will not go for it...particularly those with employer based insurance. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22

Look, I get it. But Hillary isn't president so you don't have to push to her "Never gonna happen"... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #26

First of all, in theory it might. Two different single payer bills will involve different details. StevieM Sep 2017 #46

Actually...she did say that... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #48

She was referring to the upcoming administration. She wasn't making a sweeping statement about StevieM Sep 2017 #49

Here's another quote: TCJ70 Sep 2017 #50

You're picking out words in order to make a point that is not consistent with what the debate was. StevieM Sep 2017 #51

Some people hate taxes. Many people have been conditioned to oppose taxes KPN Sep 2017 #35

If you get health care from your employer, you don't see yourself paying for premiums... brooklynite Sep 2017 #31

That's why the conversation needs to continue... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #32

Some folks' ox will be gored for sure. KPN Sep 2017 #37

Employer can still pay tokalion Sep 2017 #53

I think a good number of folks here don't understand how Medicare works. Currently we pay into still_one Sep 2017 #7

Thank you for your post. If Bernie intends wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #11

Excellent post. Hoyt Sep 2017 #24

I am on Medicare. Medicare Part B which costs me $107/month KPN Sep 2017 #38

As I understand it, a Medi-Gap or supplemental policies sold after January 1, 2006, do not include still_one Sep 2017 #41

Its free college all over again. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #9

Many nations provide universal coverage without single payer... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #18

+1. "I don't care how we get there." Hoyt Sep 2017 #27

Yup. ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #29

We need to see the plan scored by CBO or a dispassionate and independent think tank. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #36

I am surprised CBO, or some other creditable group, have not done that. Hoyt Sep 2017 #39

while I'd love to see a single payer system NewJeffCT Sep 2017 #30

I doubt it would be that same as it is now. alarimer Sep 2017 #25

Another one of my concerns ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #28

There is rationing in every system Egnever Sep 2017 #45

Won't the system get overtaxed? MichMan Sep 2017 #54

BINGO! Because we KNOW the government is REALLY good at keeping tabs on where money goes snooper2 Sep 2017 #58

A lot of people here still don't understand it HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #47

Why isn't his financing plan included in the bill? Senators, both Democratic and republican.... George II Sep 2017 #57

The GOP will use this to demonize us and we will lost our chance in 18 and 20...stupid and more Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #55