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guillaumeb

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136. Welcome dreamer.

Reply to WinstonSmith00 (Reply #128)

Mon Sep 11, 2017, 12:00 PM

Sep 2017

Many here would indeed call you a dreamer, but at one point a 40 hour work week was also a dream for workers.

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What is the "hard left"? [View all] guillaumeb Sep 2017 OP

the hard left is what we used to call gopiscrap Sep 2017 #1

Bingo shanny Sep 2017 #25

Hear hear! ananda Sep 2017 #32

exactly gopiscrap Sep 2017 #33

hard left did not create EPA or did civil rights..... beachbum bob Sep 2017 #42

The civil rights movement spearheaded the civil rights laws. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #88

the civil rights laws WERE only PASSED because of the GOP leadership under Evertt Dirksen beachbum bob Sep 2017 #112

Were it not for the movement, there wouldn't have BEEN any legislation. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #147

Not really historically accurate Major Nikon Sep 2017 #191

++10000 zentrum Sep 2017 #139

Please don't rewrite history Trumpocalypse Sep 2017 #101

A real Democrat would not elect a Republican (especially Trump) by saying the parties are the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #106

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2017 #119

Perfect definition. zentrum Sep 2017 #138

so-called progressives who pitch out the good for the perfect OKNancy Sep 2017 #2

Yep. The arrogant and vain ones who'd boast and brag and take pride at... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #4

So true exfthings Sep 2017 #94

100% right. That is the defining feature, a blanket OnDoutside Sep 2017 #6

So the hard-left is unrealistic? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #7

It's still a good goal, a target, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2017 #12

As to single payer, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #45

Yup, proud to have stood for marital gay rights before it was "cool"... same with single-payer. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #96

Just as unrealistic as the hard right. paleotn Sep 2017 #108

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2017 #120

+1 Skidmore Sep 2017 #157

That's what conservatives call New Deal Democrats Warpy Sep 2017 #3

We need a New Deal. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #8

Indeed. Furthermore, there was a hard left at the time that opposed the literal new deal. n/t BzaDem Sep 2017 #14

It was partially that and partially because Republicans had finally been completely disgraced Warpy Sep 2017 #16

My point also. The GOP is not truly a governing party. They have no plans guillaumeb Sep 2017 #46

Pretty much sums it up... why we need to put up a true progressive in 2020... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #97

Unfortunately we just had one of those shanny Sep 2017 #74

Yes we need internationalists like FDR who knew there were times... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #69

But the time for U.S. military intervention is over-especially in the Arab/Muslim world. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #89

Neo-isolationism is the surest path to war. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #122

Of course not. World War II had nothing in common with any later U.S. war. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #152

We don't have a large military to avoid wars? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #166

I'm not a neo-isolationist. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #170

We could have had a non-brutal war with North Korea, or no war at all, back in the 50s... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #171

We've basically got all the major weapons we need for that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #172

Yetsin's embrace of Putin make my point that Yeltzin was not to be trusted... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #173

Yeltsin chose Putin after the U.S. spent most of his term disrespecting him. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #174

I'd suggest you are making a argument that conflates correlation with causation... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #175

You can't just use the term "populist" for every leader you dislike. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #178

No populist movement that has gained power, has turned out well... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #180

I'm for democracy. I just don't want it to be an arrangement in which... Ken Burch Sep 2017 #185

This is why you get push-back. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #186

In that remark, I wasn't SAYING anyone HERE had called for such limits. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #188

It is fine to say "we have to do this," but unless one can make it happen... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #189

I was referring to Democrats blocking bills introduced by a Democratic president. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #190

So glad I'm not the only one who sees the same things that you do. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #194

Agreed exfthings Sep 2017 #95

Yeah. You should ask interned Japanese Americans, Jews, Blacks, and women VermontKevin Sep 2017 #10

Nobody who calls for a new New Deal supports the return of 1930s racial values. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #160

When exactly was this country "a lot fairer"? n/t tammywammy Sep 2017 #15

Mostly before the oil shocks of the 1970s Warpy Sep 2017 #17

See for example many recent studies of inequality Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #22

Exactly, his figures are very depressing Warpy Sep 2017 #27

So when women couldn't get mortgages or credit in their own name... bettyellen Sep 2017 #30

Apples and oranges Warpy Sep 2017 #31

Not at all, women and POC have been undervalued and used for free labor for centuries.... bettyellen Sep 2017 #34

What you don't seem to realize Warpy Sep 2017 #35

All of women's jobs were serverly underpaid, not sure why you thinks that's by sexist... bettyellen Sep 2017 #37

What you do,t seem to realize GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #47

Of course it is, I've stated so repeatedly Warpy Sep 2017 #63

OK. you obviously know nothing about sharecropping. GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #93

Agreed. And we need to change that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #90

Because were conspicuously omitted from this OP- treated as lesser yet again. bettyellen Sep 2017 #113

I think women and people of color should have been included in the OP. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #148

Now we're demographics, LOL. No, it's about civil rights and equal treatment under the law! bettyellen Sep 2017 #149

I agree that it's about civil rights and equal treatment under the law. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #156

Fully support literally treating as an afterthought? Not even close. bettyellen Sep 2017 #167

I'm referring to the OP. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #168

"Nobody else was mentioned" - who did you expect to be mentioned? Ask "no other causes"? What are bettyellen Sep 2017 #169

No, I didn't expect to. And I didn't expect any other issues other than civil rights Ken Burch Sep 2017 #183

Before Ronald Reagan!! LongTomH Sep 2017 #38

Well said! So many just don't get it. Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #28

Yes, too many think the world popped into existence at their birth Warpy Sep 2017 #29

Citation please...as this is pure nonsense. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #67

New Deal Democrats also embraced segregation Trumpocalypse Sep 2017 #102

How silly of me, segregation only came into being because of the New Deal Warpy Sep 2017 #146

Never said it did. Trumpocalypse Sep 2017 #161

Yes,you did. Warpy Sep 2017 #176

It was an honest post Trumpocalypse Sep 2017 #184

Turn one at Daytona. nt Are_grits_groceries Sep 2017 #5

Too windy at this point. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #9

They share the same uncompromising unreality of the far right. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #11

Who determines what i considered realistic? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #48

The masses determine that. That is why the polar extremes never succeed. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #52

Political groupings do not have to be large in order to be destructive. BzaDem Sep 2017 #13

For me, hard left is so far left that it becomes hard right dhol82 Sep 2017 #18

When I hear "hard left" I think "Our Revolution" ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #19

any organization advocating reform is not "hard left". Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #21

+1 leftstreet Sep 2017 #43

Are you sure they are only advocating for reform? ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #49

I do not see "Our Revolution" as far left. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #50

You are probably correct ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #60

What do you disagree with? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #62

Here is a HuffPo article that sums up my frustration ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #65

Understood. eom guillaumeb Sep 2017 #76

I see 'Our Revolution' and Turner as traitors to our cause... I will support no candidate that comes Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #107

It's name is the Democratic party. nt Trumpocalypse Sep 2017 #103

Once upon a time it meant the CPUSA and other marxist-leninist parties and anarchist Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #20

another +1 leftstreet Sep 2017 #44

An excellent response. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #51

I'm guessing that would be us. mahina Sep 2017 #23

To the GOP, yes indeed. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #53

The hard left are people like this in Monty Python. nycbos Sep 2017 #24

An excellent movie. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #55

I think that is more a function of BainsBane Sep 2017 #84

I don't think LWolf Sep 2017 #26

Wait- Trump is a bigger lefty than HRC?!?! What the ever loving fuck? bettyellen Sep 2017 #40

This graph will, I am certain, cause some responses. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #56

It obviously did. LWolf Sep 2017 #115

This graph is totally bogus. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #71

To understand, LWolf Sep 2017 #116

So, it has been a propaganda tool for a decade. So what? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #121

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #192

Double WOW Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #193

nonsense roscoeroscoe Sep 2017 #110

Not nonsense, LWolf Sep 2017 #118

#fakenews. stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #111

Way to "Trump" LWolf Sep 2017 #117

Antifa Not Ruth Sep 2017 #36

Anarchists are "Hard Left" The_Casual_Observer Sep 2017 #41

Basically planted by the police to discredit the left, in my view. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #57

Jill Stein voters nt marylandblue Sep 2017 #39

I would call them ineffective at best. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #58

Probably invented by republicans hoping to split Democrats. applegrove Sep 2017 #54

An interersting idea. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #59

Uncompromising and unreasonable, would be my guess. Akoto Sep 2017 #61

Small steps are good as long as the direction of travel is clear. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #64

Like Vermont? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #78

A good question. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #80

Nah, it's because no one has figured out how to pay for it. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #86

The plan already exists in many other countries. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #130

You are making my points for me. That other counties have a variety of government... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #142

Money is speech in the US, and much money is spent to convince US voters guillaumeb Sep 2017 #143

Canada isn't the United States. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #144

Vermont couldn't either karynnj Sep 2017 #123

Employer health insurance is a stranglehold that the corporations use to retain you Not Ruth Sep 2017 #127

It is more complicated than that - unions fought for those employer plans karynnj Sep 2017 #134

anyone further to the left shanny Sep 2017 #66

Believe the old term would have been Rockefeller Republican dembotoz Sep 2017 #68

that sounds about right shanny Sep 2017 #72

Yep, that's what I was thinking. n/t QC Sep 2017 #70

In their minds, yes. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #98

Apparently, anyone who questions anything the party leadership has ever done Ken Burch Sep 2017 #73

Well understood. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #77

Yes melman Sep 2017 #100

There is no left in the US BainsBane Sep 2017 #75

The politics of anger and resentment? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #79

And even when opposition arises BainsBane Sep 2017 #83

Look, I agree with some of what you've said there. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #92

And you're back to fighting the primaries. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #104

I'm not. I'm about the future. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #158

The message of the primaries was simply that Bernie as a candidate was rejected. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #159

A longing for an imagined past? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #129

Sure there are, and they are active Not Ruth Sep 2017 #81

Position on NK Not Ruth Sep 2017 #82

What a bunch of pretentious bullshit and rewriting of history. DetlefK Sep 2017 #105

What I meant by that BainsBane Sep 2017 #85

I would think any group that wants to eventually replace capitalism with some other system. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #87

A hard left is what happens when you drive down yuiyoshida Sep 2017 #91

Some humor was definitely needed. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #131

Hard left (hard right) is the same as Alt left...(alternative lie) Stellar Sep 2017 #99

a construct of the neo-nazis . . . n/t annabanana Sep 2017 #109

The hard left shuts down dissenting opinions and debate. grossproffit Sep 2017 #114

Where does this happen? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #132

College campuses, universities. grossproffit Sep 2017 #145

Provide proof. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #150

Rose City Antifa FAQ Not Ruth Sep 2017 #151

Uncompromising leftists? Bradical79 Sep 2017 #124

It all depends on where you stand politically right now. MineralMan Sep 2017 #125

Agreed. So when one is accused of being hard left, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #133

(raises hand) oh! oh! Mister Kott-ah!! MindPilot Sep 2017 #126

Ouch!!!! guillaumeb Sep 2017 #135

Also the non-religious. MindPilot Sep 2017 #137

Yes, the National Day of Prayer, the endless invocations, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #141

Well said! zentrum Sep 2017 #140

Utopian dreamers WinstonSmith00 Sep 2017 #128

Welcome dreamer. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #136

whatever it is, Ted Cruz likes it on Twitter! Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #153

Anthony Weiner nt Abu Pepe Sep 2017 #154

A funny answer. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #163

I would guess most people here think of me as hard left. DemocraticWing Sep 2017 #155

All a matter of perspective? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #164

A nonexistent faction to prop up the false equivalency narrative. n/t alarimer Sep 2017 #162

Perhaps non-viable, or non-influential, rather than non-existent. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #165

This poster and their friends do not exist? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #177

A lefty obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2017 #179

I can't be the only one who thought "romantically aroused liberal" grantcart Sep 2017 #181

Probably not, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #182

"Hard left" is a term from British Labour from the 1980's Spider Jerusalem Sep 2017 #187