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Hekate

(90,541 posts)
12. No one will ever be 100% -- I am just fed up with fools who cannot see what we will lose...
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 01:19 AM
Sep 2017

...if Senator Feinstein is primaried and defeated. It means the Dems enter the GE bloodied and weakened, and more likely to allow a Repub to gain the seat.

What people outside California often fail to understand is the sheer diversity of this place. We have more people than the country of Canada. We are on the cusp of a nonwhite majority. Many Asians trend Republican, not Democratic. We have swathes of very conservative people: I mean who do you think sends Dana Rhorabacher and Darell Issa to Congress year after year? We have some some very liberal Democrats indeed, as well -- but someone like Nancy Pelosi comes from a very liberal city indeed.

Our Senators reflect a lot of that. When liberal Dem. Barbara Boxer retired, we had not one challenger, but several good people lined up to fill a vacancy, and were lucky to get Kamala Harris (who some here have complained about for being insufficiently POC, when what she is is very mixed race). But her GOP opponents will be back, challenging DiFi with lots of money to back them up.

Diane Feinstein strikes some here as "too old" and "too moderate." But she is a thoroughly reliable Democrat who gets re-elected in this state year after year. People can certainly sound her out about retirement plans, because if she retires it will be like Boxer -- it will give a bunch of good Democrats a chance to run for a vacancy, rather than one spoiler trying to unseat one of our best Dem Senators.

My question would be: who among us is willing to lose that seat to a Repub in order to unseat Feinstein -- and why would that be?

Ooh, Blue Apron! We love food! eom sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #1
I approve greeny2323 Sep 2017 #2
Yea Difi should have been gone long ago. Egnever Sep 2017 #4
We love Dianne Feinstein here in California. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #9
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #29
Please don't miss this old OP about Feinstein: Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #151
Certain people are eally pushing this meme for all it is worth. Makes me wonder... Hekate Sep 2017 #159
expecting rain clu Sep 2017 #165
Do you live here? Which district? You know how many of our Congressmen are Repubs? Hekate Sep 2017 #19
Ronald effing Reagan came from CA n/t wryter2000 Sep 2017 #54
So did Richard Nixon. Our staunch Dem Congressman is a freshman... Hekate Sep 2017 #70
this is a very valid concern clu Sep 2017 #155
Illinois is not in California DFW Sep 2017 #102
His political career was in California wryter2000 Sep 2017 #115
He was governor of California. tammywammy Sep 2017 #117
I have wondered just how many posters telling California what to do are even from California still_one Sep 2017 #58
I have wondered just how many posters telling California what to do are from Russian. stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #126
Claiming that everyone you disagree with is a russian troll is ridiculous. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #127
lol. stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #129
Once you realize that the Calexit proposal is run by a guy with an office in Russia... Hekate Sep 2017 #160
There are lots of conservatives and Republicans in CA n/t emulatorloo Sep 2017 #30
Rich and they make up a huge part of the 1%. haveahart Sep 2017 #59
Not necessarily Hekate Sep 2017 #161
Um, did you know California has a lot of Blue Dog Democrats up in Sacramento? Brother Buzz Sep 2017 #67
I hadn't heard about him till now... CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2017 #3
another wall street insider one % er nt msongs Sep 2017 #5
Do we like 1%ers now?: leftofcool Sep 2017 #6
Wow, you guys are way ahead of me... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #8
Let's do the math, shall we? nbsmom Sep 2017 #142
Sure, let's do the math. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #143
"Populist demagoguery that turns off most CA Democrats" WHAT? nbsmom Sep 2017 #144
I'm the kind of Democrat who voted for Kamala Harris. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #148
Meaning you had the opportunity to vote for Loretta Sanchez and didn't nbsmom Sep 2017 #156
No. Both candidates were equally new in running for the office. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #157
thanks for sharing clu Sep 2017 #162
Isn't Dianne Feinstein a very wealthy person as well? awesomerwb1 Sep 2017 #91
Hope the new wealthy challenger will be able to do what DiFi just did leftofcool Sep 2017 #7
No one will ever be 100% -- I am just fed up with fools who cannot see what we will lose... Hekate Sep 2017 #12
Some outside CA might also be surprised that a "primary" doesn't... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #14
As a non-Californian I was kind of surprised comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #77
Loretta Sanchez's district is Orange County. In my opinion she is a solid Dem, but her constituency Hekate Sep 2017 #95
As a non Californian I had heard a lot about Loretta Sanchez comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #96
Kamala was our State DA, so ran for statewide office to get there before running for Senate Hekate Sep 2017 #98
Harris looks like she has a lot of promise. comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #119
We will most likely lose every seat we run for in 2018. leftofcool Sep 2017 #21
Like I said: fools Hekate Sep 2017 #23
Well at least the "replace liberal Pelosi with a fresh-blooded conserva-Dem" fad is over. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #28
For now. Then some little group will start a hissy fit again. nt Hekate Sep 2017 #50
"Yet these same Dems get things done" - but we haven't been getting it done, that's the problem. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #128
I had no idea that Harris was being attacked for her lineage Lucinda Sep 2017 #33
It was kind of random, you know? Hekate Sep 2017 #69
My poor health is both a painful thing, and in many ways a blessing...I have lots of free time Lucinda Sep 2017 #87
Being from NY, I can see it clearly... TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #46
Preach it, sister wryter2000 Sep 2017 #89
Had to check to make sure I was on the correct site. democratisphere Sep 2017 #10
It sure feels that way from time to time. Lucinda Sep 2017 #34
So, Feinstein is your idea of a good Dem? FiveGoodMen Sep 2017 #93
Feinstein is a Dem. Bernie is not. The last thing Dems need to endorse democratisphere Sep 2017 #120
Try again HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #122
Sure, so let's perpetuate the status quo by replacing one millionaire with perhaps a billionaire. democratisphere Sep 2017 #131
LOL WALL STREET R B Garr Sep 2017 #11
She has had one for awhile CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #13
Hildebrand sounds like a 2%er Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #15
Is he not a Dem? CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #16
He is a democratic socialist running as a Democrat. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2017 #18
Thank you for the confirmation! CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #20
No where on his website does it say he's "running AS a Democrat" Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #24
David Hildebrand is already in -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2017 #17
He will lose and hopefully be drummed out of politics...anyone that primaries a sitting Democrat Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #103
Can you please explain HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #123
Timing is everything...we have no branches of government...going after Dem seats instead of trying Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #135
Very unfortunate SoCalNative Sep 2017 #22
Ah No That Is Incorrect ChubbyStar Sep 2017 #31
She won't be voted out. She will either comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #78
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #90
This native son hasn't forgotten... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #25
It ever occur to y'all that she buttered up Trump so he'd be receptive to Chuck and Nancy? emulatorloo Sep 2017 #26
No kidding. The logic of last week's smear campaign totally collapsed... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #27
Of course only those who want to attack Dems would find this to be a problem...kind of demonstrates Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #104
Yes, it occured to me too, that she had an agenda based on moving Democratic ideas forward. Hekate Sep 2017 #163
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #32
I think you're spinning a false narritive that Dianne Feinstein is out of touch... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #37
No, that connected her with people who don't believe in undercutting American presidents Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #39
Oy vey DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #41
You seem to have reading comprehension issues. She, like HRC, voted to give then Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #48
It was not the correct thing to do and here's why melman Sep 2017 #52
Apparently Saddam didn't know that or he'd have complied with UN resolutions and avoided... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #55
So the more dangerous act then was the AUMF that gave these war hungry Ninsianna Sep 2017 #92
Right melman Sep 2017 #121
I was making it about the only pure member of congress, Rep. Barbara Lee Ninsianna Sep 2017 #125
its a beautiful thing clu Sep 2017 #168
Nope melman Sep 2017 #170
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #100
The feeling is mutual... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #101
at least i know who to ignore clu Sep 2017 #164
No, I'm a Hillary fan, but we can't rewrite the vote that she has apologized for. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #116
Senator Clinton made the reasons and her concerns very clear in a speech she made before she cast... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #118
Feinstein, Clinton and many other Dems rightly believed in a UN remedy oasis Sep 2017 #139
Correct. These leading Democrats, arguably our party's top 3 Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #149
"She, like HRC," - you started out ok, then it all went terribly wrong. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #130
The correct move NCDem777 Sep 2017 #133
Can you read? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #64
Wow, that is some take melman Sep 2017 #40
Our nominee had exactly the same position when she voted for the resolution. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #49
Noob poster clearly -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2017 #62
No. A guy with an degree in International Relations from UC Berkeley... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #68
Dems who voted for IWR were doing nothing more than covering their ass BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #81
Good analysis. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #84
Is DEMOCRAT bashing allowed on this forum? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #86
legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair H2O Man Sep 2017 #147
Not at all, and you are simply engaging in Democrat bashing based on fiction Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #172
was there a critical thinking class in that syllabus clu Sep 2017 #169
You best. And some really challenging courses in formal logic. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #171
Wow... We really do have a cult of the executive branch in this country ck4829 Sep 2017 #43
Another... WOW! demmiblue Sep 2017 #63
Why should you be surprised? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #65
Holy crap leftstreet Sep 2017 #66
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA OMFG . . . . HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #79
comic genius H2O Man Sep 2017 #146
Any objective evidence to support that claim? LanternWaste Sep 2017 #74
Yeah, like I said, the IWR. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #99
She won't retire and she won't lose and all the money that could have gone to unseat a Republican Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #105
I'm not a California voter, but I was for a long time. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #108
Lot's of people voted for the war...so I don't care about it ...Kerry voted for it. Dems were lied Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #112
And lots of people- like Senator Boxer- DIDN'T vote for it. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #113
And a big who cares...I have seen the selective bashing on this site and other.s.. I am not Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #137
Invaluable experience on the hill. .. nocalflea Sep 2017 #35
Hillary won CA by over thirty points. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #42
I'm surprised at the DiFi hate. ProgressiveValue Sep 2017 #44
It is Democratic party hate. Some look for every excuse to bash Democrats and the Party.. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #106
Maybe we just want better Democrats? HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #124
hahah...at this point I just want Democrats...and by enabling the election of Republicans, you don't Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #134
That's not a good reason to support her. The AWB was a joke of a law. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #132
i'll concede a little to the right about fancy shiny guns clu Sep 2017 #167
"We?" mcar Sep 2017 #45
Bingo wryter2000 Sep 2017 #53
Hillary gives speeches to Wall St and she's evil. But this guy actually from Wall St is somehow ok? kcr Sep 2017 #47
LOL! That takes the cake, doesn't it? Double-standards layer-cake and hypocrisy-flavored frosting. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #56
But he ain't no damn woman!@ haveahart Sep 2017 #60
Well he is a man after all....nt comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #80
People get more upset over women . Debbie wasserman schultz has the least amount of wealth JI7 Sep 2017 #85
It is hilarious really. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #107
this guy is a Man , Hillary and Feinstein are women . JI7 Sep 2017 #166
I thought DiFi was thinking of retirement. She is in her mid 80's... haele Sep 2017 #51
good at the very least, gopiscrap Sep 2017 #57
Oh Boy! Oh Boy! MineralMan Sep 2017 #61
The people that did this should join the GOP Party it is who they are...this only helps the GOP. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #72
Well, they're young and inexperienced, I guess. MineralMan Sep 2017 #73
Yeah they would have to be either inexperienced, trolls, or just plain stupid. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #75
I feel certain that Senator Feinstein is quite capable of MineralMan Sep 2017 #76
That is my issue...I know that single payer isn't coming anytime soon...so when those who are not Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #88
Thanks for reminding people how seniority works. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #154
I was also wondering about this Gothmog Sep 2017 #94
Please don't miss this OP on the same topic: Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #153
May this 'challanger' and those in instigated this in a year where Trump owns it all... go Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #71
When you say "progressive" I say "depressive." haveahart Sep 2017 #82
May challenge Feinstein means may do nothing Not Ruth Sep 2017 #83
It will be interesting to see what the voters in California will do here. Autumn Sep 2017 #97
Clearly they will bury the challenger...a so called socialist wall street guy...I can hear the ads Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #109
It's their Senate race. Autumn Sep 2017 #110
I am against primarying any sitting Democrat when we have nothing...so any group that does so Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #111
I liked Boxer and I like Feinstein. I'm not a Californian so it's not my choice. Autumn Sep 2017 #114
Nor mine, but I will send the party money and Feinstein...Move on...not one dime ever again. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #136
I shitcaned Move on years ago. Autumn Sep 2017 #138
You were right. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #140
Move on was created to get people to move past a corrupt supreme court installing Bush as president. Autumn Sep 2017 #141
I agree and not they will help elect folks worse than Bush probably. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #145
moveon backed sanders against the DNC backed candidate clu Sep 2017 #173
That is a very sore point for me as we lost that election. And now we have Trump. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #174
the implication seems to be that it's sanders fault clu Sep 2017 #175
If you say so...I have my own opinion. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #177
nbsmom hello! Many q's here for you but haven't seen you respond! LOL! California resident or nah? Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #150
I edited to show the whole name of the State of California. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #152
I am not from California so Democrats from that state can vote however they like. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #158
Actually, you have a lot of choices... brooklynite Sep 2017 #176
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