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In reply to the discussion: Greenwald: Progressives and the Ron Paul fallacies [View all]Robb
(39,665 posts)2. It's nice to hear progressives support Obama.
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Because they're central to Greenwald's case, what complaints about Obama "are either
Karmadillo
Dec 2011
#3
The factual support makes the paragraphs very convincing. Are there, however,
Karmadillo
Dec 2011
#42
It would help if you could point out one specific example that illustrates your point. He's
Karmadillo
Dec 2011
#65
give it up, they will never give you real 'facts' or even a well-reasoned logical argument
stockholmer
Jan 2012
#123
What world is this guy living in, Obama has a 84% approval rating among Libs/Progressives
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#5
If the Publisher of the Nation has also praised Paul for favoring ending preemptive wars &
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2011
#9
Why are we giving Greenwald a higher authority on these matters than the President?
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#20
I'm not giving him higher authority. He cited a number of heinous actions taken by Obama. Is
Karmadillo
Dec 2011
#23
But "bad" is in the eye of the beholder, he must be doing something right being he has an 84% approv
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#29
Where did this "84% approval rating among Libs/Progressives" come from? If true, why
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2011
#28
Are such polls accurate? Remember the poll in which "Dewey Beats Truman"?
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2011
#57
Do you agree with Greenwald that progressives find some of Ron Paul views "compelling and crucial"?
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#70
No, I think he is completely sincere. I think he is using Libertarian double speak.
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#103
The current empire exists without the paying of taxes. Offshore corporations...
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#142
Doesn't explain banana republics, juntas, and dictatorships we've supported over the decades.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#147
Sure, connected to the Friendly Dictators. What makes you think mercenaries couldn't...
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#150
Yes, he is correct that many progressives, cast aside by their own party, find some of his
sabrina 1
Dec 2011
#105
Progressives that "agree" with Ron Paul's views don't know Ron Paul's views.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#148
I've noticed not much has been said about the Jeff Connaughton article Greenwald cited
suffragette
Jan 2012
#125
Flawed logic should not be used by anyone except when it is used in an ironic way.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2011
#25
Like opposing individual mandates and taxing benefits? Those sort of false positions meant
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#101
Actually, the "simple-minded" stranger called him an "asshat" and misrepresented his position.
Karmadillo
Dec 2011
#16
You should be happy he responded. The stranger got DU significant publicity.
Karmadillo
Dec 2011
#19
I think his reply regarding the "simple-minded" poster at DU will get us far more
Karmadillo
Dec 2011
#26
That's why other blogs have made a rule that members not use epithets in their
sabrina 1
Jan 2012
#126
Gay progressives can only write about the vile homophobia of conservatives? Maybe
Karmadillo
Dec 2011
#37
He was accused of supporting Paul, that is misinformation and willfully so.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#59
Obviously! Wow. You would think that someone that comports himself as such a wordly,
Number23
Dec 2011
#71
Well, I don't want to be rude, but my comment was not made out of concern for you.
sabrina 1
Jan 2012
#133
How so? In what way is he endorsing Paul? I think we disagree on the definition of the word.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#60
If you do not see the evidence of endorsement of Ron Paul in this opinion piece...
Spazito
Dec 2011
#62
No, that would be supporting his positions in these areas which is not at all the same thing.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#79
No, that is another distortion. I was clear that it is the positions being supported
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#109
While I see what Greenwald is saying, Paul should be harshly rejected by all progressives
Bjorn Against
Dec 2011
#47
Those issues are obvious, they do not disappear the points where the broken clock is correct
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#66
"Democrats are foolish to allow civil liberties to be owned by a bunch of anti-government zealots"
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#78
Most people don't post hundreds of forum posts and dozens of blog posts defending broken clocks.
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#84
Ah. But is a fact that he advocates those views. He may be insincere. It may be hollow
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#69
He's not defending anyone's campaign rhetoric... (Rolling on the ground laughing!)
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#75
Yes. Candidate Paul does not flesh out the means but only the ends.(Rolling on the floor laughing.)
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#80
GG defends that these issues are being brought up AT ALL. Rolling on the floor laughing.
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#93
But progressives are against those things. Meanwhile Paul would just expand them.
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#100
Proressives are. But only a few Democrats in government are. Rolling on the floor laughing!
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#104
What I wrote is what critics of Libertarianism have been writing for decades.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#124
Greenwald is not a libertarian. He does not support Paul. And he agrees with some of the issues
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#76
So you would agree with Ron Paul that no federal regulations should be made over drugs...
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#88
Nope. But candidate Paul conveniently leaves out the means and champions the ends.
Luminous Animal
Dec 2011
#97
He's got a point, muddied a bit by Paul's underlying craziness. On paper, Obama's taken positions
DirkGently
Dec 2011
#83
Silence, traitor! Your pedestrian "warnings" destroy morale & insure our defeat!
DirkGently
Dec 2011
#89
powerful truth-speaking to power,regardless of the usual collaborators wailing & gnashing of teeth
stockholmer
Jan 2012
#122
For all the wailing and smearing, none of the collaborators even attempted to question the accuracy
Karmadillo
Jan 2012
#132