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Voltaire2

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94. "the debate over race relations"?

Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:38 PM

Aug 2017

Please, we are not having a debate. There were nazi's in the street shouting slogans that evoked genocide. There is no debate going on. There is no discourse happening between genocidal thugs and civilized people.

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Punching Nazis feels good, but it's a selfish act, not something that leads to victory [View all] geek tragedy Aug 2017 OP

Whatever.. The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #1

THIS obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #15

Yes! Lunabell Aug 2017 #44

The last time Nazis came to power, it took a LOT of violence to defeat them. Adrahil Aug 2017 #2

yes, but they rose to power precisely through chaos and street battles geek tragedy Aug 2017 #4

A great deal of their power comes from fear... Adrahil Aug 2017 #7

I agree action and resistance, but not violence. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #17

Some are... Adrahil Aug 2017 #20

Antifa types??????? Should't we all be antifacists? womanofthehills Aug 2017 #75

We do that by showing up in numbers that are ten times theirs, and by shunning them and Squinch Aug 2017 #26

This is absolutely not true -- they came to power through appeasement obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #18

They reached critical mass through street brawls and chaos. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #23

They reached critical mass through online communities lapucelle Aug 2017 #88

I'm talking about the German Nazis nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #89

Then why is your OP entirely in the present tense? lapucelle Aug 2017 #90

Well they control the White House now, current plan is clearly not working krawhitham Aug 2017 #32

the white house doesn't control local law enforcement nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #37

Not yet krawhitham Aug 2017 #59

doubtful, he can't even control his own white house nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #64

no objective evidence that violent opposition to the Nazis directly resulted in their ascension to p LanternWaste Aug 2017 #51

the street brawls helped undermine the civil government. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #54

With Nazis, we can defeat them with violence now or defeat them with violence later. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #3

that's what the Communists said in the 1930s. Before the Nazis liquidated them geek tragedy Aug 2017 #5

Yes, and they liquidated them because GOOD PEOPLE turned their backs on the fighters obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #19

That's the problem, there are three reactions to street brawls between rival gangs geek tragedy Aug 2017 #29

It is dangerous and lets them get away with things like this... speaktruthtopower Aug 2017 #6

ONLY the Nazis were violent at the Greensboro Massacre obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #12

The rally was called "death to the Klan" speaktruthtopower Aug 2017 #25

Not punching Nazis leads to genocide MyNameGoesHere Aug 2017 #8

This -- I do not get the calls for nonviolent protest obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #13

Captain America, Miss Victory, Wonder Woman and Indiana Jones say YOU'RE WRONG! Foamfollower Aug 2017 #9

Post of the thread!!! JHan Aug 2017 #35

. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #53

I doubt you've ever punched a Nazi ... GeorgeGist Aug 2017 #10

I kicked one in the balls once. Well, he probably was a Bircher instead of a Nazi. haele Aug 2017 #24

Turning the other cheek is why Nazis rose to power obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #11

No, they rose to power in an environment of chaos and street battles with Communists. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #22

The Communists Were Pushing A Violent Agenda Though ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #40

The Communists were routinely getting over 50% of the vote in Berlin geek tragedy Aug 2017 #46

So, You're Vehemently Agreeing? ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #55

Antifa strike me as the Black Bloc crowd, under a different logo. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #57

Yeah, I Can Agree With That ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #61

best way for Nazi marches to be received is with cops maintaining complete control, geek tragedy Aug 2017 #62

That Actually Happened In My Town ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #67

that's a great story, hopefully things return to that pattern nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #70

If Antifa was not at Charlottesville - many more people would have been injured - womanofthehills Aug 2017 #80

But they are dicks, and we have the right to respond to speech with violence. Bonx Aug 2017 #14

You absolutely have the right, and they absolutely deserve it, but it is not the effective means to Squinch Aug 2017 #28

Your concern is noted. nt Codeine Aug 2017 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #21

there are more than enough cops to deal with them. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #34

the antifa aren't about self-defense, let's be honest they're mostly Black Bloc geek tragedy Aug 2017 #36

Oh you are talking about just the one group...gotcha. jmg257 Aug 2017 #38

yeah, I'm not talking about people having the right to defend themelves geek tragedy Aug 2017 #42

So................. womanofthehills Aug 2017 #84

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #87

Actually, part of the whole Nazi thing is to inflitrate police departments womanofthehills Aug 2017 #82

there were also Nazis with guns there nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #85

And how did this attitude work out for the Germans? Towlie Aug 2017 #27

the Nazis rose to power in Berlin by getting into street brawls with the more numerous Communists geek tragedy Aug 2017 #30

Sorry you can be peaceful Egnever Aug 2017 #33

peaceful doesn't mean tolerant or accepting. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #39

Do you think they would seek to create the violence and chaos if they thought they would lose? jmg257 Aug 2017 #47

They know they're losing if they don't do that. nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #48

They know they are losing when they can not act out on their hate without opposition jmg257 Aug 2017 #60

opposition and violence are two different things nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Aug 2017 #65

theyr'e not required with these thugs, the big problem was the policy geek tragedy Aug 2017 #66

Agree - sounds like Boston will be doing so. jmg257 Aug 2017 #69

Tell it to Patton, and Montgomery, and LeClerc hatrack Aug 2017 #41

They went to war with the German state, not with the Nazi party nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #43

A distinction utterly without a difference . . . hatrack Aug 2017 #45

it is vastly different to be talking about how Nazis rose to power vs how we defeated them geek tragedy Aug 2017 #49

Well, you keep on being shocked and saddened . . . . hatrack Aug 2017 #52

Literally just walking up to a Nazi and punching him is incredibly foolish. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2017 #50

Let's ask Nevile "peace in our time" Chamberlain GusBob Aug 2017 #56

Again, two different considerations for keeping the Nazis out of political power geek tragedy Aug 2017 #58

They have already taken control Egnever Aug 2017 #78

You are a voice of reason Geek Tragedy and one who understands the lessons of history. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #68

Hard to imagine when faced with chaos and violence in the streets, the US people will turn to jmg257 Aug 2017 #72

A lot of Germans didn't belive it either. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #73

Yep they were also devasted by war and depressions and battling communists. jmg257 Aug 2017 #74

True enough. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #76

Well - I do hope so. We will have some time to see how it shakes out at at least a few events. jmg257 Aug 2017 #77

agreed G_j Aug 2017 #71

Hitler never got near 50% of the German vote... steve2470 Aug 2017 #79

I'll keep my Nazi punching to videogames then :P LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #81

LOLOL JHan Aug 2017 #86

No one should punch someone out of the blue obviously... JHan Aug 2017 #83

In the late 20's and early 30s Germans failed to punch enough nazis hard enough Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #91

This -- the SA were allowed to do what the Nazis did in Charlottesville obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #92

Having the debate over race relations geek tragedy Aug 2017 #93

"the debate over race relations"? Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #94