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haveahart

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12. Time for Democratic leaders to speak up about not being supportive of any group using vilence.

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 10:49 AM

Aug 2017

NOT IN OUR NAME should be our motto for anarchists and anti-fa pretenders on the left. Some are as deplorable as the alt-right.

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Opinions on "Antifa"? [View all] underpants Aug 2017 OP

They have history in Europe lunasun Aug 2017 #1

lots to read about it here as well - not saying it is accurate, but it is info. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #2

I am Antifa. ck4829 Aug 2017 #3

the path to progress IndieRick Aug 2017 #55

Indeed. A fighting spirit does not need actual physical hand to hand fighting. ck4829 Aug 2017 #57

VERY well said . Thank you for kacekwl Aug 2017 #187

I'm anti-fascist. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2017 #4

White supremacists would have called civil rights marchers in the cilla4progress Aug 2017 #5

The right wing media is trying to frame the story irisblue Aug 2017 #6

Exactly! Antifa has been twisted/morphed to mean PRO-FASCIST liberal. Hortensis Aug 2017 #180

Antifa has been labeled IndieRick Aug 2017 #193

Yeah. But the evolution of "Antifa" is a Frank Luntz-type creation. Hortensis Aug 2017 #194

I support Antifa. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #7

I am in favor of all antifa who are nonviolent. Which is probably most of them. Nt LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #8

antifa is not the problem Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #9

Agree. SharonClark Aug 2017 #46

+1 Raine1967 Aug 2017 #49

true bdamomma Aug 2017 #120

Anyone who shows up to rallies to stir shit up, start fights, and destroy property.... Initech Aug 2017 #10

people who stir up violence are police agents DBoon Aug 2017 #63

+1 leftstreet Aug 2017 #125

I saw less destruction of property in Charlottesville than in other protests... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #175

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #11

Antifa and the Black Lives Matter movement are nothing alike. demmiblue Aug 2017 #20

Time for Democratic leaders to speak up about not being supportive of any group using vilence. haveahart Aug 2017 #12

Yeah, no -- GO ANTIFA! obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #66

Which is what the Nazis want. ProgressiveValue Aug 2017 #98

All the antifa will take a swing at the Nazis ? uponit7771 Aug 2017 #127

Seems to me to be an odd position to take. JayhawkSD Aug 2017 #13

The Original Antifa: JaneQPublic Aug 2017 #14

Excellent. I'm using that. underpants Aug 2017 #30

Damn right! workinclasszero Aug 2017 #32

👍🏻 Floyd R. Turbo Aug 2017 #37

No......because Antifa is anti-government. LisaM Aug 2017 #96

The antifa represent a wide range of political beliefs, all united against fascism. Coventina Aug 2017 #101

Seattle is a liberal city and however loosely you want to associate them with other groups or not, LisaM Aug 2017 #104

Well, all I can say is that your experience with them is vastly different from mine. Coventina Aug 2017 #106

I'm glad if you have an experience of Antifa as a peace-loving and positive force. LisaM Aug 2017 #108

You must be kidding - OMG! they had the nerve to disrupt Milo womanofthehills Aug 2017 #170

Thanks to Kpete: ret5hd Aug 2017 #102

Link and quote Antifa saying they're anti gov? Not the DAA but Antifa uponit7771 Aug 2017 #131

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2017 #128

And they died fighting Nazi's. Trump/Bannon are bound and determined Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #151

There is no comparison between the KKK/Nazis and Antifa. DanTex Aug 2017 #15

Excellent underpants Aug 2017 #45

Is this the new way to label anarchists? I mean the big A ones who show up to uppityperson Aug 2017 #16

A hate group. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #17

The only group they hate are fascists and fascists deserve hatred. white_wolf Aug 2017 #158

I do not support their tactics. n/t demmiblue Aug 2017 #18

Even when they are saving lives?????? You are black and white - sad womanofthehills Aug 2017 #177

They are the same black bloc/anarchists that always engage in violence Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #19

That's pretty much what I thought. The destructive ones. underpants Aug 2017 #44

Yes, I agree with this. I remember the 1999 WTO protests in Seattle. LisaM Aug 2017 #83

When you brag that womens marches were nonviolent countryjake Aug 2017 #112

I didn't actually say that, I said that they walked by people trying to disrupt the march. LisaM Aug 2017 #115

There is little comparison between the WTO event and pro-Nazi rallies... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #178

Thank you, those are the people I was thinking of also uppityperson Aug 2017 #119

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2017 #132

Don't feed the Nazi Trolls the violence they want to create. Don't compromise about Nazis. L. Coyote Aug 2017 #21

Fighting fascism is a SOCIAL DUTY! Coventina Aug 2017 #22

You've stated that you "thank them" so they will come to your aid when the violence they seek... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #23

Well guess what? Violence has never happened. Coventina Aug 2017 #24

cosign obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #67

+1,000,000 countryjake Aug 2017 #113

+1 leftstreet Aug 2017 #126

One of the Nazis said it best: Nevernose Aug 2017 #25

I appreciate your point. David__77 Aug 2017 #27

that obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #68

"Antifa" is undefined. MineralMan Aug 2017 #26

Antifa has an established identity here too. It is an embrage of violence. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #29

Yes. And that identity is negative, as seen MineralMan Aug 2017 #33

You didn't feel that was 6 months ago. B2G Aug 2017 #147

Yes, I did feel that WAY 6 months ago. MineralMan Aug 2017 #149

They are not anti-liberals - things are not black and white as you see them womanofthehills Aug 2017 #169

Baader-Meinhof Group was antifa MattBaggins Aug 2017 #58

American activists are sometimes to quick to accept existing labels. MineralMan Aug 2017 #60

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2017 #135

I support struggle against fascists. David__77 Aug 2017 #28

You lose the moral high ground when you support people who use the same violent tactics Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #31

I could care less about "moral high ground." I care about personal integrity. David__77 Aug 2017 #36

It's very easy to condemn the antifa when you aren't an obvious target of fascists. Coventina Aug 2017 #39

I'm thinking back to high school when a white supremacist/anti-gay fascist threatened me. David__77 Aug 2017 #53

It is not integrity to back far-left anrchaist bully boys. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #40

I understand your perspective. David__77 Aug 2017 #52

I do not believe that you believe that. ret5hd Aug 2017 #103

Did you read your own meme? Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #144

So antifa plow cars into people and hang people and support ... wtf are you saying here? thx uponit7771 Aug 2017 #136

you also lose the moral high ground when you make broad brush statements and false equivalencies fishwax Aug 2017 #148

You don't seem to understand what Antifa is... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #157

on the contrary, you clearly don't understand what Antifa is fishwax Aug 2017 #160

They practice the same violent tactics (codename "direct action") Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #162

"direct action" does not equal "violence" fishwax Aug 2017 #163

It would be naive or disingenuous to suggest Antifa's concept of "direct action" Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #164

Again, you clearly have a pretty limited knowledge of antifa fishwax Aug 2017 #174

No, I'm intimately familiar with these people and know many of the locals by sight... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #181

I suspect there's a confirmation/selection bias at play here fishwax Aug 2017 #184

Yes ideologically opposed to liberalism. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #185

You know who helped the nazis come to power and it wasn't antifa The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #176

False dichotomy between doing nothing and feeding the Nazis the street violence they crave. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #182

Sorry but you are completely wrong. The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #183

Repeating the charge doesn't make it true. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #186

Somebody else claimed recently that both side engaged in the same tactics tkmorris Aug 2017 #167

Equating liberal Democrats who don't stand for violence... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #172

You loose high moral ground when you look the other way womanofthehills Aug 2017 #171

I don't know about everything they've done in the past Downtown Hound Aug 2017 #34

Interesting article. Mme. Defarge Aug 2017 #35

Thanks for the link. I read it all. Trying to see into "what is what," pangaia Aug 2017 #121

wasn't at least some of the antifa violence NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #38

Yes. Sad that DUers have fallen for it. Coventina Aug 2017 #41

What's sad is that enemies of our party and enemies of liberalism... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #42

And just who are you calling a troll? Coventina Aug 2017 #43

You're a troll? pangaia Aug 2017 #124

Teehee! Coventina Aug 2017 #143

This is one of the best threads I have see. Pretty respectful on a difficult topic. pangaia Aug 2017 #150

It is a difficult dilemma, no doubt about it. Coventina Aug 2017 #152

Ah, we all stumble and fall, do we not. So it's the journey that is important... pangaia Aug 2017 #153

Well if Cov is a troll underpants Aug 2017 #47

I've little doubt you fail to see the irony in your statement. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #56

teehee obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #71

Coventina is not trolling the forum. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #64

Brava! countryjake Aug 2017 #114

lulz obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #69

Antifa has no interest in political parties leftstreet Aug 2017 #129

I fear that people who cover their faces are making things easy for false flag mischief... .n/t annabanana Aug 2017 #188

There will always be troublemakers. Anifa groups do train on detecting Coventina Aug 2017 #190

as we have seen here on du there are some(many?) folks to the left of the party dembotoz Aug 2017 #48

Anti-fascist but not Antifa Thomas Hurt Aug 2017 #50

"Nascent movement" -- lol NO obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #72

Well, I wanna be careful here.... Adrahil Aug 2017 #51

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Nazis/KKK/alt.right types are my enemies. Glorfindel Aug 2017 #54

Non violence begets non violence Not Ruth Aug 2017 #59

hahahahha wrong -- this is why the Nazis were not stopped obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #73

But it's why MLK won. Bonx Aug 2017 #92

No, MLK never advocated just be killed by terrorist. We're not supposed to INITIATE or EXACERBATE uponit7771 Aug 2017 #139

Saw this on #OurResistance; non violence is cowardice?????; I disagree of course Not Ruth Aug 2017 #116

I wonder how many felt that way when the Nazis first seized power? white_wolf Aug 2017 #159

I am opposed to Antifa as a violent group. It hurts progressive causes. kwassa Aug 2017 #61

They are not a "violent group -- that would be the Nazis obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #75

from the Atlantic article kwassa Aug 2017 #85

That's black block ... they're mixing up the groups in the article along with DAA. Antifa uponit7771 Aug 2017 #140

They should have no place in the Democratic party NobodyHere Aug 2017 #62

hahahaha wrong obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #74

Vandalism and violence is wrong at this point. HopeAgain Aug 2017 #78

They saved democratic protesters in Charlottesville womanofthehills Aug 2017 #173

They have been around fighting Fascists since the 30s obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #65

interesting enough by your username President Obama would disagree with you 100% snooper2 Aug 2017 #99

let the trump supporters make themselves look as indefensible as possible beachjustice Aug 2017 #70

Agree HopeAgain Aug 2017 #76

The Gandhi/King approach won't work with Nazis unfortunately. The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #77

If and when you commit violence, we will disavow you... nt HopeAgain Aug 2017 #79

Who is WE? You? The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #80

Yes me and all the Democratic leadership, I suspect. HopeAgain Aug 2017 #81

Wrong. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #88

"kumbaya" ! The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #89

I'm not saying there's never a time to fight with violence. beachjustice Aug 2017 #100

Can you elaborate on this.. pangaia Aug 2017 #130

you might be right, but I still think whether to be aggressive with violence is a complex matter beachjustice Aug 2017 #189

State monopoly on violence is one of the Enlightenment values and Westphalian order AngryAmish Aug 2017 #82

My opinion on Antifa is... workinclasszero Aug 2017 #84

I'll condemn anyone who went to that rally looking for violence NobodyHere Aug 2017 #87

What can you expect from a KKK/nazi rally but violence? workinclasszero Aug 2017 #93

The Nazis were the ones who got the permit -- they are who was looking for violence obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #110

this obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #109

+1000000 GrapesOfWrath Aug 2017 #165

the word "Antifa" sounds scary and foreign. mainer Aug 2017 #86

Not a fan, personally. Oneironaut Aug 2017 #90

My feelings about Antifa are pretty straight-forward. MrScorpio Aug 2017 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck Aug 2017 #94

Antifa really hates Starbucks, but who do they like? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #117

I have been seeing Antifa United stickers all over Frankfurt... a la izquierda Aug 2017 #95

LOL.... pangaia Aug 2017 #134

They are too militant from what I've seen. We should not get caught up in that. phleshdef Aug 2017 #97

At the anti-racism march in Minneapolis last night moda253 Aug 2017 #105

Inevitable get the red out Aug 2017 #107

They have been around for almost 100 years obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #111

anti-fa KG Aug 2017 #118

I stand with anti-Fascists. D-Day wasn't a picnic. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #122

Antifa wants to preserve our Democracy, Fascists want to destroy it Tom Rinaldo Aug 2017 #123

Flavor-Of-The-Month for the RW Machine Montauk6 Aug 2017 #133

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2017 #142

I'm sure all the Sensible Centrists will be along to provide us with the correct opinion..... vi5 Aug 2017 #137

Somebody tell Chris Matthews the difference between Black Bloc hooligans librechik Aug 2017 #138

Ask here Not Ruth Aug 2017 #141

They are heroes defending this nation - for which we should all be very grateful! ElementaryPenguin Aug 2017 #145

They provide a conduit for Agents Provacateurs. Even if they are sincere in their anti-fascist yodermon Aug 2017 #146

I am soooooo glad heaven05 Aug 2017 #154

I get upset sometimes. But is a society, the best response to mob violence is nonviolence. Blue_true Aug 2017 #155

Twelve Million piles of ashes say you are wrong obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #192

i am antifa AmandaRuth Aug 2017 #156

Trolling for a race war: Neo-Nazis are trying to bait leftist antifa activists into violence and ollie10 Aug 2017 #161

Is this link unconnected to Antifa? kentuck Aug 2017 #166

Interesting underpants Aug 2017 #168

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #179

Support them 100% OBenario4 Aug 2017 #191