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In reply to the discussion: AGAIN, HILLARY WAS RIGHT, YET CRUCIFIED BY THE MEDIA, THE RIGHT & SOME ON THE LEFT [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)127. I spend a lot of time talking to people who I know who are just fucking ignorant of so many of the
facts, around police brutality, economic inequality, etc. etc. They aren't bad people, they are ignorant as fuck on these matters. They've bought the narratives that are shoved down their throats in the Danville's and other white conservative circles of the world, and that bubble perpetuates itself, and is resistant to claims that "you're just racist deplorables" because of course it is...that's not how these people see themselves.
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AGAIN, HILLARY WAS RIGHT, YET CRUCIFIED BY THE MEDIA, THE RIGHT & SOME ON THE LEFT [View all]
boston bean
Aug 2017
OP
Her description of these asshole Nazis was actually very mild and reserved.
Foamfollower
Aug 2017
#1
How did this site let them use such language? It is a moderated site, right?
VermontKevin
Aug 2017
#20
And now that they see what they have wrought, and they know they are guilty
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2017
#103
I will not forget, we were warned. We were told. And a woman mocked, criticized and crucified for
boston bean
Aug 2017
#6
What is this, the Lord of the Rings? There is no magical virtue that is a dividing line between
JCanete
Aug 2017
#51
Hearts full of hatred described as "not pure" .... why? There's a world of difference there.
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#56
it depends on who we're talking about. Are the lefties also people who have hearts full of hatred?
JCanete
Aug 2017
#63
Moral relativism, false equivocations...you sound just like Trump with his "on many sides" shit.
JHan
Aug 2017
#65
Morality is a construct, unless you believe in God, and I don't. I would closely allign myself to
JCanete
Aug 2017
#72
I don't think rich people are evil though. I think their actions equate to evil. I do think, if
JCanete
Aug 2017
#89
No, I didn't say nothing should be condemned. I said people as a whole shouldn't be condemned. Their
JCanete
Aug 2017
#120
what? There is a very obvious and distinct difference from condemning a person and condemning a
JCanete
Aug 2017
#126
I already said that if you want to identify as a Nazi, while people are still people and we
JCanete
Aug 2017
#234
Those Nazis in Charlottesville are not comparable to your average anxious fool. They're actively
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#66
but I'm not denying that. JHan, where did I deny the perniciousness of racism? It fucking exists.
JCanete
Aug 2017
#131
I'm not lecturing you. I have a perspective and in order for me to understand yours better, there is
JCanete
Aug 2017
#141
Call it racism. Racism is not something that has to be permanent. Racism is a state of mind about
JCanete
Aug 2017
#237
I"m not trying to protect anybody's feelings. We've rehashed this over and over.
JCanete
Aug 2017
#248
Like I said, some are gone...too far gone. They have an emotional incentive at this point not to be
JCanete
Aug 2017
#135
um...because in this case I have anecdotal evidence of you attacking me for my perspective, while
JCanete
Aug 2017
#245
Plain and simple enough for anyone to understand . Straight to the point. Thank you MM
lunasun
Aug 2017
#228
The anti HRC agenda from the so called progressive movement, headed by Bernie
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2017
#261
Can we say that she was actually right when she called Trump supporters.....
Proud Liberal Dem
Aug 2017
#8
You're correct, but PLEASE DON'T SHOUT in thread titles. Your thread is not more important. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Aug 2017
#11
So if "She WON!" the hate and vitriol on this string should be directed at the electoral college.
ciaobaby
Aug 2017
#165
Well, I agree with you about the EC. However, the vitrol in this string is directed
lunamagica
Aug 2017
#171
I'm sorry you are going through this with your sister. I can't imagine how hard it must be
lunamagica
Aug 2017
#192
If you are wearied of the conversation, it's incumbent upon you to move on.
LanternWaste
Aug 2017
#37
How ironic. No one brought up Sanders except you, in a comment about a young woman...
Hekate
Aug 2017
#222
Really, Baconator? Our candidate, WHO WON BY 3 MILLION VOTES, was a "mistake"? Do tell.
Hekate
Aug 2017
#225
Yes: "Putin's puppet" and "Deplorables" were absolutely correct as were most of the issues
Mrs. Overall
Aug 2017
#16
They saw a Nazi at the gate and still went after Hillary and refused to vote for her.
hrmjustin
Aug 2017
#32
Some wanted that Nazi. They thought if the Nazi won, the harm would be
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2017
#262
But her e-mails, and, and, and, her speaking voice, and , and, and, Wall Street...
Aristus
Aug 2017
#36
er....if this is the way the Democratic Party thinks we should be campaigning in the future,
JCanete
Aug 2017
#48
What are you talking about. You either bother to understand people, or we can keep trying to
JCanete
Aug 2017
#52
Most people do understand racists are vile people. Others think they need to be understood.
boston bean
Aug 2017
#76
Thanks for your thoughtful insight. Nothing sophomoric about reductionism at all. nt
JCanete
Aug 2017
#143
You're just too smart for me. I wish I could be more insulted by I don't know what the burn was here
JCanete
Aug 2017
#169
Ignore those who are purposely trying to make your argument AGAINST nazis sound
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2017
#264
okay, I thought this was an election, where you have to win at least hearts, if not minds.
JCanete
Aug 2017
#54
to what end? Really. What the hell do you think labeling people "shitty people" will accomplish? nt
JCanete
Aug 2017
#64
What? fuck that. Look, there is a point where people are beyond return, or at least, a point
JCanete
Aug 2017
#75
I never categorized every Trump voter, but I get that you need to believe that.
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#79
You are objecting to me saying that we shouldn't be applying these categories and making it easy to
JCanete
Aug 2017
#82
Yes, it's exactly like the caveats the WH released today about the heroic counter protestors.
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#90
soft-shoeing of racism? I'm not saying we need to "be inclusive of racists." I'm saying racism is a
JCanete
Aug 2017
#94
straw-man. Not what I said. I said they lack empathy. We need to understand that. We don't need to
JCanete
Aug 2017
#102
The lack of empathy resides on one side. And it isn't the side of inclusivity that is lacking it.
boston bean
Aug 2017
#109
again, straw-manning my point and putting words into my mouth about the "poor racists." Point
JCanete
Aug 2017
#118
I'm objecting to you lumping in the protesters against Nazis w Nazis because it's bullshit.
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#84
No, it isn't at all just an academic exercise, because I want to do what works here. I want to erode
JCanete
Aug 2017
#98
I'm not the only one that "got that" and yeah, you lumped in "Bernie haters" etc upthread...
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#107
You are misrepresenting what I"m saying and I have no idea why. You are trying to claim that I think
JCanete
Aug 2017
#115
Criticizing racists entrenches racists??? Oh yah. Are you fucking playing us here?
boston bean
Aug 2017
#113
Criticizing racism and criticizing racists for their racism is what we should be doing. Blanketly
JCanete
Aug 2017
#116
It's merely more "STFU about racism and sexism" because it's not my problem....
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#122
I spend a lot of time talking to people who I know who are just fucking ignorant of so many of the
JCanete
Aug 2017
#127
A societal or individual failure or incentive to not empathize. Of course its a pathology.
JCanete
Aug 2017
#144
nope, I didn't say it was perfectly fine. I took care to point out that people have ascribed motives
JCanete
Aug 2017
#150
It's only lecturing when I'm talking? What is it when you're talking to me? I consider it
JCanete
Aug 2017
#168
Its no surprise to me that scapegoating works. That's what's been working since politics.
JCanete
Aug 2017
#179
I'm not suggesting we apologize for anything. Once she said it, I don't see much value in the
JCanete
Aug 2017
#80
Um...I didn't say she lost because of that, and infact in my posts you'll find me saying that there
JCanete
Aug 2017
#100
You're exactly on the same page as Bannon and Miller here. Defending the Nazis is abhorrent.
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#78
you are right, it worked well for Trump. A divided and more hateful nation will probably cut that
JCanete
Aug 2017
#283
I hear you, and appreciate people's need to vent. I have grave concerns that it gets in the way of
JCanete
Aug 2017
#235
The deplorable comment, for which she quickly apologized, was a gaffe. It happens. Remember when
StevieM
Aug 2017
#231
And the KGB agents who have lived here their entire lives, some born here, who work
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2017
#267
You mean the day she got 3,000,000 more votes than her opponent? Trump kept saying "rigged"
Hekate
Aug 2017
#227
It was not very smart for her to go after the other side's supporters.
Hassin Bin Sober
Aug 2017
#69
Those votes were baked in- she didn't rile up the base enough. There was so much crap about her
bettyellen
Aug 2017
#114
I don't remember her doing that in the GE. If she did, that was bad too.
Hassin Bin Sober
Aug 2017
#159
if your point is that a media can make hay of anything you say, that's absolutely true. Some
JCanete
Aug 2017
#164
"Her hatchet man Brock"? I don't think he was involved with her campaign after February 2016.
George II
Aug 2017
#256
History will be kind to Hillary. She tried to stop this madness. But so many didn't listen.
SweetieD
Aug 2017
#91
I think I despise those "purity" voters even more than I despise the trumpers
lunamagica
Aug 2017
#162
I was under the impression that Clinton has said the deplorable statement was a mistake.
jalan48
Aug 2017
#172
Well, that guy in Ohio is worse than deplorable, he's an a-hole for voting for a POS like Trump.
Beacool
Aug 2017
#280
Clinton Machine, Democratic Establishment, out-of-touch, terrible campaign ...
betsuni
Aug 2017
#253
Hillary was only wrong in thinking that half of Trump's supporters were deplorable.
Beacool
Aug 2017
#274
Yes she was right. again. But she wasn't "PURE". So we got this orange jackass instead.
Lil Missy
Aug 2017
#281