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Sun Aug 13, 2017, 08:45 PM

9. This is a concise summary of our really disgusting history as regards to

the things that describes our divisions in the past.

I can not, at any time, say that we, as a group of people, do not have our failings at understanding. What we need to do for the future is present something that may help us move to something better. This is where I felt I need to respond. Read on for what I mean,

I had a brief conversation with my brother yesterday, who I would describe as basically as a decent person. His concept of the conflict in Charlottesville was that it was a response to the removal of the stature of Lee and that the mayor of that city was at fault for the incident. He described Lee as someone who was just trying to protect the concept of "States Rights" and therefore his treasonous transgression was justified and why should people object to a statue of him, or more precisely, that it was okay for people to object to it's removal.

All I could do in response was to try to inform him that there was more to this than what he thought and that he should look further into the subject about Lee and States Rights This was an effort to have him learn about how Lee was a slave supporter and the "states rights" thing was just a way to make the repulsiveness of slavery of the Confederacy more acceptable to the uneducated American populace.

Now this commentary is nothing more than an attempt to point out that many people really don't have clues about the history of things and that they base their actions and understanding on somewhat simple concepts, and that includes history.

We need to realize this before we can really change peoples minds and that is a bothersome task, because we usually can't erase that stuff from their memory, their local influences, or their current impulses.

What we need to do is quite simply try and put what is going on into something that they can relate too in some sort of human empathy or compassion.

"Forget what has happened in the past."

"What would you think if the thing that had tried to oppress you was exalted, and I don't mean something as obscure as "taking your freedom away", which has no meaning if it denies someone else's humanity"

We need to get others to think, truly, beyond themselves and into thinking of others beyond their tribe. The tribe is the human race and not some subset, as we have behaved.

Arguing with others on the basis of the past is fraught with historical arguments.

Argue on the basis of compassion, empathy, and understanding. And realize that it may not change someone else's mind.

This post is not meant to disparage the OP generator, it is just something that struck me as I read it in the context of my conversation with my brother and that maybe there is more that we can do--without counting on history.

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