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Response to phylny (Original post)

Fri Aug 11, 2017, 09:50 AM

105. Here's why it may not "hopefully this end the Bash Hartmann Brigade"

Condescension never works. It doesn't work on the playground, it doesn't work in the office, it doesn't work in politics, and it doesn't work on a Website whose sole purpose is political discussion. I personally don't acknowledge a "Bash Hartmann Brigade." What I do see is a large number of posts informing DU members why they must listen to Hartmann, and a reaction to those posts.

The Russia Times thing is not new. Somehow the topic flared up on DU, and as long as Hartmann's paychecks come from Russia Times, there will be at least two schools of thought regarding that. One, many are weary of Russia, of hearing that anyone has a connection to Russia, especially a financial connection. Two, that Hartmann should and must be heard, regardless of who signs his paychecks.

I think booth schools of thought are equally grounded in individual beliefs, and I didn't see much of a "Bash Hartmann Brigade" presence on DU until the increase in posts "defending" him (or whatever you'd like to call it).

See, I don't know you. To my knowledge, this is the first time I've read a post from you. And unlike situations in which DUers I don't know read my posts and tell me what I'm thinking and my motivations for posting, I'm not going to do that with you.

I'm going to respond to what you posted at face value, and I'm not going to make it personal.

When you make a statement like "Hopefully this ends the "Bash Hartmann Brigade"." what I see is "Read my post and then STFU."

Like I said, I don't know you, and I don't know your intentions. You may be attempting to silence an apposing viewpoint, you may not. It comes across as if you are, and I am saying that totally devoid of any judgement or accusation. Just read what you wrote.

Look, if you like Hartmann and want to listen to him, do it, and Godspeed to you.

And if other people question his relationship with Russia Times and don't want to listen to him, maybe they should be allowed to do so without "hopefully ending" what they have to say about it.

And if you are truly upset about those posts, you can:

1). Hide those threads

2). Put the people who post them on your ignore list

3). Send an alert if you think the post violates the DU TOS (although you will see much discussion of this in recent days...stating that Hartmann's financial connection to Russia Times is less than desirable doesn't fall under the rules of "bashing a Democratic figure."

If he's walking away from Russia Times, good for him. Maybe criticism will end at some point.

There are also asking the same question that was asked when CNN fired Jeffrey Lord yesterday..."What TOOK so long?

All I'm asking here is that you consider the value in respecting, if not fully understanding or agreeing with, the opposing viewpoints of others, especially in this online community. Creating a sarcastic and judgmental label for those opinions is not going to get you any further than the people who are in complete agreement with you.

Thanks for listening.

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