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Tiggeroshii

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21. Interesting how much confusion there seems to be about that.

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Tue Aug 8, 2017, 02:38 PM

Aug 2017

It seems intentional -although it could very well be an honest misunderstanding of the term.

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"America Has a Long and Storied Socialist Tradition. DSA Is Reviving It." [View all] Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 OP

DURec leftstreet Aug 2017 #1

Hate to admit this - it is the first time I heard of them... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #2

Yes, but we also have a long and ugly tradition of Americans hating and fearing socialism DavidDvorkin Aug 2017 #3

Also from the article: Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #4

I think your statement could be turned around. George II Aug 2017 #93

I think that among younger people, this isn't as much of a factor. David__77 Aug 2017 #5

But a new love of Russian dictators and oligarchs Generic Other Aug 2017 #24

Indeed; very strange. DavidDvorkin Aug 2017 #35

Years of unbridled Spencerian capitalism Generic Other Aug 2017 #40

Is that paraphrasing Pat Robertson? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #6

FDR is the founder of the modern Democratic party Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #7

Just out of curiosity ... Tavarious Jackson Aug 2017 #8

You will learn more if you research that yourself... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #10

Lower than Eisenhower higher than now Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #11

In 1935 the top rate was 63% and 33% on Capital Gains. They're about 40% and 20% now. George II Aug 2017 #79

Well, not under FDR, but just afterward: JHB Aug 2017 #117

Agreed...! Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #9

This is The Big Lie... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #16

Right Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #17

FDR never called himself a Democratic Socialist. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #18

He was also trying to recover from the worst world depression in history. George II Aug 2017 #80

The only way to do so is at the ballot box GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #25

Thanks! Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #27

Tell me again why you guys are using DU for this venture? DU...whose rules are very straightforward. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #111

Nope. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #28

Do you believe in unions? Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #29

Do you believe that proselytization and taking over a party that you claim should reflect Ninsianna Aug 2017 #37

Maybe an understanding of the term would fend of further ignorance of anybody who uses it Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #41

Mabye an understanding of the organziation being discussed here would Ninsianna Aug 2017 #43

More like the 1930s, almost 90 years ago in a completely different time. George II Aug 2017 #81

Thanks for the correction. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #99

At least I didn't correct your spelling: George II Aug 2017 #102

But he didn't correct my spelling, he just proved that he couldn't figure out what Ninsianna Aug 2017 #104

Many has been a time that I left out a vowel or two in order to keep my post within the title. George II Aug 2017 #110

I was just typing fast and have become way too reliant on that wavy little line under Ninsianna Aug 2017 #115

that will come as a surprise to the 40% of Republican union members in this BainsBane Aug 2017 #69

My Democratic Party membership is worth EXACTLY as much as yours. Nevernose Aug 2017 #107

Then why do so many people think theirs is worth more and that the rest of us Ninsianna Aug 2017 #114

The New Deal was the product of an unprecedented series of events from the 1920s to 1932. George II Aug 2017 #77

If the socialists have so much support and so many thousands, why don't they form their own party?.. socialist_n_TN Aug 2017 #23

It is much like the Libertarians in that they will never be in power wasupaloopa Aug 2017 #50

There's The Question Me. Aug 2017 #85

Actually, most of the socialist left doesn't want a "socialist" party.......... socialist_n_TN Aug 2017 #123

No thanks, I oppose government control of the means of production. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #12

Democratic socialism is giving workers more control of the means of production (ie unions) Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #26

You seem to be a little confused here. Democratic socialism at a concept is not Ninsianna Aug 2017 #42

I may be. However Unions are all but dead. Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #46

Funny how the Unions don't agree. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #65

35% of households in 1945 had union membership Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #74

And the DSA has done what to address this? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #98

It is is clear you aren't interested in a meaningful debate at the moment. Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #101

What's clear is that meanignful debate is not your intent, or you'd try to stay on topic Ninsianna Aug 2017 #103

Go to the DSA website and their history.... George II Aug 2017 #105

How many people did their convention draw in? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #109

Prolly* because there was no free Ben & Jerry ice cream in the lobby. (*probably) George II Aug 2017 #113

lol Ninsianna Aug 2017 #118

Perhaps the DSA could run their own candidates and show us how popular they are... brooklynite Aug 2017 #108

"Right to a decent job"...How is "decent" defined in this context, who defines "decent"? The state? Marengo Aug 2017 #13

The worker (ie unions) Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #30

Would this "right" be added to our Constitution? Marengo Aug 2017 #52

I'm a DSA member and I hope to see the org grow even more in the coming years. DemocraticWing Aug 2017 #14

"Democratic Socialism" not 'socialism'... there is a big difference... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #15

Tell it to Hugo Chavez Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #19

No, democratic socialism is the solution. Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #20

The relgious dogma is breathtaking. Pat would be proud. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #44

What's 'relgious'? Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #47

If you're actually having a hard time figuring out what typo that left out a single letter means, Ninsianna Aug 2017 #62

Lol... JHan Aug 2017 #70

People obsessing over typos? How 1990s un-netique! George II Aug 2017 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author Ninsianna Aug 2017 #106

To what? George II Aug 2017 #83

Please check out on your own the difference between Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #22

Also Hugo Chavez oppressed and destroyed unions Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #31

It must be frustrating to equate two different political parties from two different nations LanternWaste Aug 2017 #32

And if you're talking about the US vs. Denmark, two totally different economies, two totally.. George II Aug 2017 #84

Interesting how much confusion there seems to be about that. Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #21

Yes the intentional conflation of the term and the topic under discussion sure is confusing. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #45

Excuse me, but you must have mistaken me for somebody who doesn't know the definition of Foamfollower Aug 2017 #66

Yeah, run a socialist in say, Kentucky... Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #33

There is no 'socialist' running or in office that I am aware of... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #34

Fine, run one of those in the South Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #36

Beto o rourke Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #38

Interesting how things topic has so many negative posts DBoon Aug 2017 #39

I see many members not agreeing with very high post counts. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #121

You know perfectly well calling people out is not allowed DBoon Aug 2017 #124

Democratic Socialism has a branding problem. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #48

Far too many Americans are dumber than dirt... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #49

Yep. Which explains how so many Rs get elected. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #53

Exactly. You made a very good point that I also subscribe to... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #54

I'd say many Americans are rightfully fearful of words whose meanings they understand precisely well Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #56

Democratic Socialism is what the Constitution of the USA also describes... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #57

What lies. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #58

So FDR is now a framer of the Constituion which somehow now describes Ninsianna Aug 2017 #122

Excuse me? Dumber than dirt???? George II Aug 2017 #75

Thanks malaise Aug 2017 #51

I would probably never join the DSA. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #55

If DSA ever gained actual power, I would fight against them to my dying breath. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #112

I think you're safe on that front. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #119

That tradition goes back even further. LWolf Aug 2017 #59

I like your graphic... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #60

In the late 19th century, LWolf Aug 2017 #63

Thanks for the history lesson! Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #64

no apologies LWolf Aug 2017 #67

None of those groups were socialist BainsBane Aug 2017 #71

Maybe it's hipster irony... lapucelle Aug 2017 #61

What Do They Do With The Money? Me. Aug 2017 #86

Protest signage? A portable printing press? lapucelle Aug 2017 #96

Could Be Any Of Those...Or Not :) Me. Aug 2017 #97

All the way to a Republican win. Nt. MonkeyC Aug 2017 #68

The author doesn't seem to realize that Sanders pointed to a Social Democrat BainsBane Aug 2017 #72

Thank you Bains for correcting the record. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #78

Denmark is a tiny country, smaller than 41 of the 50 United States, with GDP about.... George II Aug 2017 #73

THIS! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #76

Socialism, "democratic" or otherwise, is not what Denmark has DFW Aug 2017 #87

And yet Denmark is repeatedly put up as the model of "Democratic Socialism" by... George II Aug 2017 #88

I know. It irks the Danes, too DFW Aug 2017 #92

Social Democracy is similar to Democratic Socialist in that... Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #89

Even if they believe in the Great Pumpkin DFW Aug 2017 #91

Wrong. Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #94

The Constitution also doesn't mention 'social', 'socialism' or even 'democracy' NobodyHere Aug 2017 #116

For younger folks, here are the names of some good people in the U.S. socialist tradition: Ken Burch Aug 2017 #82

While I like John on a personal basis DFW Aug 2017 #90

See my post # 94 Trial_By_Fire Aug 2017 #95

I do not find "socialism" or "capitalism" to be useful distinctions at times. David__77 Aug 2017 #120