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(3,473 posts) Fri Jul 28, 2017, 08:33 PM Jul 2017

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I found this on reddit about the repeal vote. [View all]

Does this sound about right?

I'm not sure if it's really being appreciated just how comprehensively the Republicans were just fucked over.

See, the Republicans have been trying to pass these godawful healthcare bills through a process called budget reconciliation, which, among other things, protects the bill from being filibustered in the Senate and only requires a simple majority of 50 votes (rather than 60, which the Republicans don't have).

The thing is, the Senate can only consider one budget reconciliation bill per topic per year. Of course, if the bill dies in committee and never comes to an official vote, it doesn't count- which is why they've been able to keep hammering away at the issue.

This bill, though, was allowed to come to the Senate floor, because the Republicans thought they'd secured the votes. Collins, Murkowski and the Democrats would vote no, everyone else would vote yes, and Pence would break the tie. And then McCain completely fucked them. And it was almost certainly a calculated move; he voted to allow the bill to come to the floor. Had McCain allowed it to die in committee, McConnell could have come back with yet another repeal bill; but he let it come to a vote, and now they can't consider another budget reconciliation bill for the rest of the fiscal year. The Senate needs 60 votes to pass any kind of healthcare reform now.

So now they're caught between a rock and a hard place. Either they concede defeat on the issue and try again later (causing a big, unpopular stink that could damage elections if they try it before the midterms, or risking losing the slim majority they already have if they wait) or they actually sit down with the democrats like adults and write a halfway decent healthcare bill.

This is amazing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/6q1snh/us_senate_healthcare_repeal_bill_fails/dku2gyq/?sh=0243f1ca&st=J5O0AJUD

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/6q1snh/us_senate_healthcare_repeal_bill_fails/dku2gyq/?sh=0243f1ca&st=J5O0AJUD

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I found this on reddit about the repeal vote. [View all] Flaleftist Jul 2017 OP

Hmm that might explain Benedict Donald's tweet whine about needing 60 votes unblock Jul 2017 #1

So someone not fooled Jul 2017 #60

Exactly, he probably said just keep trying unblock Jul 2017 #61

That's exactly right NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #62

I think that is correct. MineralMan Jul 2017 #2

Or wait 6 months. underpants Jul 2017 #4

Very sweet. He got them on 2 fronts WhiteTara Jul 2017 #13

If that was McCain's intent, I take my hat off to him. I hope it was. brush Jul 2017 #40

No way they get a repeal through during an election year. Ace Rothstein Jul 2017 #14

Actually, since they didn't pass a budget last year, this reconciliation tblue37 Jul 2017 #19

Actually they can. See my post about Mitch's attempt at a slick 2-reconciliation tblue37 Jul 2017 #23

So unless they want to risk another goround on ACA repeal in oct, Volaris Jul 2017 #33

No. They can try to do a tax bill through reconciliation after the new fiscal year starts on tblue37 Jul 2017 #41

Oh, and after Oct. 1 they can try to use reconciliation for a tax bill, but they have used up their tblue37 Jul 2017 #42

Big R#5 & K for, excellent! UTUSN Jul 2017 #3

Thanks for posting! Insightful and fascinating! nt chimpymustgo Jul 2017 #5

Trouble is a new fiscal year starts October 1st. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2017 #6

They will use the reconciliation opportunity for next fiscal year on their tax cut bill. tblue37 Jul 2017 #43

Excellent point. Thank you. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2017 #58

K&R Justice Jul 2017 #7

I wonder when Trump, Pence, and the Republican senators (minus Collins and Murkowski) janx Jul 2017 #8

When he spoke to Cornyn and made him frown and then he went over and made tblue37 Jul 2017 #24

It probably was that simple. janx Jul 2017 #29

Wonder why Cornyn didn't stop the vote? LeftInTX Jul 2017 #56

Trump probably thinks it was personal. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #27

Agreed about his motives. I posted this earlier today: janx Jul 2017 #31

Explains McCain's lecturing them about "getting nothing done". Barack_America Jul 2017 #9

ODonnell just covered this ... McCain HAD to get it to the floor otherwise they'd keep bringing it u uponit7771 Jul 2017 #10

isn't next year an election year CatWoman Jul 2017 #15

Yes relayerbob Jul 2017 #11

Saw some headline recently that Trump was telling them to change the rules. keithbvadu2 Jul 2017 #12

Now I understand this much better,McCain got McConnell twice, and good. Stuart G Jul 2017 #16

Wow! K and R oasis Jul 2017 #17

I heard this today from a smart lawyer. It's true. yardwork Jul 2017 #18

It's reported Trump called him too. I bet that did not sit well. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2017 #20

McCain - Say I'm not a hero you draft-dodging fucktard OnlinePoker Jul 2017 #36

A number of the Repubs were angry at McConnell. Heard 1 on tv today say he ought to resign. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #22

Mitch really put them on the spot by forcing them to vote for such an unpopular bill tblue37 Jul 2017 #25

Yeah, they didn't sound happy. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #30

Well, I'll be. I regret that I was angry at McCain for the vote to go to a vote. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #21

Yes, I agree ... Puzzler Jul 2017 #32

He knows this is gonna be his last hurrah. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2017 #53

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #59

Same here. I was livid, calling him a stupid old man, moonscape Jul 2017 #49

Wow. nt zentrum Jul 2017 #26

KNR Thank you! Lucinda Jul 2017 #28

Amazing. The best, the worst, the cowardly and the courageous defacto7 Jul 2017 #34

He returned the bill to committee after the vote krawhitham Jul 2017 #35

Yes but AC_Mem Jul 2017 #37

They can't use reconciliation again this fiscal year--and they can't waste their only tblue37 Jul 2017 #44

I had forgotten the part that consideration of budget reconciliation once a year by senate.... Lyricalinklines Jul 2017 #38

They won't try healthcare again this fiscal year, b/c if they couldn't get 51, they tblue37 Jul 2017 #45

Yes. I hope they see the economic damage their gameplaying ... Lyricalinklines Jul 2017 #48

One thing they ignored is that messing with healthcare like that (1/6 of the economy!) tblue37 Jul 2017 #50

I concur! Lyricalinklines Jul 2017 #54

McCain waited in the tall grass and earned his revenge. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #39

+1000 janx Jul 2017 #47

McCain done good flamingdem Jul 2017 #46

What makes this particularly sweet is - wasn't it moonscape Jul 2017 #51

Superior, educational, delicious post, Fla! And these replies are simply brilliant! Thanks to all!! Leghorn21 Jul 2017 #52

WOW!!! still_one Jul 2017 #55

If this is how it went down... SHRED Jul 2017 #57

Not true. Mitch can bring this up anytime he wants. Casprings Jul 2017 #63

He can bring it up anytime he wants, but will a simple majority vote work? I thought that was why catbyte Jul 2017 #65

Yes. Simple majority. The reddit post is wrong Casprings Jul 2017 #66

So the Center on Budget & Policy Priorities is wrong? catbyte Jul 2017 #67

That is correct.. Casprings Jul 2017 #68

Destructomites will always take the worst possible path. lark Jul 2017 #64

OK, my respect for McCain just went up significantly. Your analysis sounds right on the money. Nitram Jul 2017 #69