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DanTex

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Thu Jul 20, 2017, 08:01 AM Jul 2017

About the "Dems need to move further left" theory. [View all]

Is there any evidence whatsoever that this would actually help win elections? I get that Dems are at their weakest point in many decades, so yes, something has been going wrong. But I see no evidence that "not left enough" has anything to do with it.

First, the Dems have already been moving left. The trajectory from the 90s to today is one of gradually becoming more progressive. There's not much overall correlation between "leftness" and electoral success, and if anything the correlation goes the other way.

Second, the last time the Dems won control of congress (2006), it was not a strategy of running to the left that did it. It was a strategy of running centrists in swing districts, and it worked.

Third, progressive candidates in moderate districts or states don't have a very good track record, including in 2016 (e.g. Feingold, Teachout).



Look, I would love it if the solution to the Dems' electoral problems was simply to surge left, because my views are left of the median Democrat. But I just don't see the logic. And I don't see any evidence. For the most part, I see the argument coming from ardent progressives who make the mistake of overestimating the appeal of their own views -- basically assuming that other people see the world like they do. But this is unfortunately not reality.

And, sure, having a majority that includes centrists does make it trickier to get progressive legislation passed. But it sure beats the crap out of not having a majority at all.

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The idea of moving left is not to pick up previous moderates, but to attract previous non-voters. flor-de-jasmim Jul 2017 #1
I know that. Is there any evidence that it actually works? DanTex Jul 2017 #2
It won't happen. We have no time to waste on this nonsense. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #5
I'm open to the idea that it's possible, if it were accompanied by evidence. DanTex Jul 2017 #8
"Move to the left" is the wrong term. Chasstev365 Jul 2017 #3
Sure but now we're talking marketing rather than substance. DanTex Jul 2017 #4
the 'new deal' is 80 years old...and will disappear if the alt-left (green riffraff) Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #6
By that logic the Constitution is 200 + years old. Chasstev365 Jul 2017 #9
Obamacare. Barack_America Jul 2017 #7
Hm. I remember the continuous screeching here that Obama was "spelunking" (caving in)... Hekate Jul 2017 #17
There are aspects of your argument GaryCnf Jul 2017 #10
THIS! 90's Dems had moved to the right of Nixon. Greybnk48 Jul 2017 #12
Democrats are at their weakest point in decades. Blue_true Jul 2017 #11
Above all Dems need to deal with voter suppression and obviously hackable tblue37 Jul 2017 #13
I really believe with the Sanders elimate, that is creating the Democrats have a problem is the pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #15
Voter suppression is definitely THE issue. As for "wealthy supporters".... Hekate Jul 2017 #19
Dems are at their weakest point in many decades pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #14
When the other side promotes outright lunacy, it's foolish to try to stake out a middle ground. nt killbotfactory Jul 2017 #16
It's hard to say what anyone wants--the Dems get more votes, but less representation Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #18
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