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athena

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36. If being overweight were remotely as dangerous as smoking,
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 09:01 PM
Jul 2017

you would have a point. But it is not.

There is no such thing as "conservation of mass". If that were the case, E = mc^2 would not be true. There is conservation of energy. If you don't realize that your statements about "excess calories ... resulting in excess fat build up" are a huge oversimplification, then I really don't have any more time left to waste arguing with you. The rate at which different people's bodies use energy to complete a given task is not always the same. Different people don't have the same metabolism rate, and even in one person, the metabolism rate can change depending on what drugs they may be taking and what hormonal conditions they may have.

Some things have indeed been scientifically proven. If nothing were scientifically provable, science would never have been able to advance very far. Try getting an article published in a peer-reviewed journal that argues that Einstein's special theory of relativity is wrong. Or that the Dirac equation is wrong. Or that Newton was wrong in the large-and-slow domain. Or even that the Higgs boson doesn't exist. Just try. Or go to any physicist and tell them that Maxwell's equations have not been "proven" and see if you don't get laughed out of the room.

Congratulations, by the way, on dismissing my scientific credentials. Trump would be proud of you. Because, after all, what good is a Ph.D. in physics? A person who doesn't have it is completely justified in accusing that person of not understanding science.

Your post has indeed led me to find that there is a very recent study that purports to have disproven the "obesity paradox". Even that study shows that the increased mortality as a result of being overweight is slight. In any case, this is just one study that purposefully set out to disprove the "obesity paradox" and needs to be replicated. It has not, for example, controlled for yo-yo dieting. We will see. Here is another recent study, by the way, that supports the "obesity paradox":
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0171334

Why Fat-Shaming Is Wrong. [View all] athena Jul 2017 OP
Just one minor quibble NRaleighLiberal Jul 2017 #1
Seconded, on both counts True Dough Jul 2017 #5
You didn't bother to read the links I posted, did you? athena Jul 2017 #7
I gave them a cursory read True Dough Jul 2017 #15
95% of diets fail within five years. athena Jul 2017 #17
Conventional and fad "diets" are part of the problem True Dough Jul 2017 #20
That study was halted because it showed no reduction in mortality. athena Jul 2017 #22
You're so driven to be right that you're making an enemy out of someone who isn't one True Dough Jul 2017 #27
And just because I believe long-term weight loss is achievable for many individuals True Dough Jul 2017 #29
Agreed. Snackshack Jul 2017 #31
Thank you for this. johnp3907 Jul 2017 #2
Questionable research Loki Liesmith Jul 2017 #3
I'm sorry MFM008 Jul 2017 #4
No one should be shamed into having surgery to change their weight. athena Jul 2017 #6
No one shamed me MFM008 Jul 2017 #8
OK. athena Jul 2017 #12
Thank you MFM008 Jul 2017 #23
I have dengenerative bones... LakeArenal Jul 2017 #9
My weight loss MFM008 Jul 2017 #10
Fat shaming is wrong TBA Jul 2017 #11
We all know that if significantly less calories are consumed, weight will be lost. Doodley Jul 2017 #13
And I Disagree ProfessorGAC Jul 2017 #14
It sounds good in theory NobodyHere Jul 2017 #16
Is smoker shaming wrong? Is ignorance shaming wrong? Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #18
You should read the links in my OP. athena Jul 2017 #19
Oh Hombre74 Jul 2017 #21
For years and years I tried to quit smoking. They told me it was not a choice it was an addiction. Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #26
If being overweight were remotely as dangerous as smoking, athena Jul 2017 #36
You will find the papers that tell you what you want to hear. That's what I did as a smoker. n/t Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #43
I gained 40 pounds in 15 years. no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #24
"The reality, however, is that it is impossible to lose weight, and that being fat is not unhealthy" Towlie Jul 2017 #25
That's not my previous thread. athena Jul 2017 #30
Sorry, I corrected the error. But you know what else is funny? Towlie Jul 2017 #33
I have not read a single link yet, but intend to Not Ruth Jul 2017 #28
I know a whole lot about this subject, AND THERE IS A LIE A STATEMENT IN OP Stuart G Jul 2017 #32
Good job, Stuart! Towlie Jul 2017 #35
3% - 5% of people are able to keep the weight off. athena Jul 2017 #41
No...it does not take "superhuman effort" to lose weight.. Stuart G Jul 2017 #44
I lost 85 pounds almost ten years ago and have not regained them. cyclonefence Jul 2017 #34
Good for you, but as you say, you didn't actually diet. athena Jul 2017 #38
Diets don't work cyclonefence Jul 2017 #42
Jesus Blue_Warrior Jul 2017 #37
Hygiene shaming ... Is that okay? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #39
Chris Christie uses "unhealthy habits" to justify sending marijuana users to prison. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #40
Fat shaming is wrong because it's ineffective TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #45
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