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True Dough

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27. You're so driven to be right that you're making an enemy out of someone who isn't one
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 07:59 PM
Jul 2017

Regardless of whether or not we agree on whether weight loss can be accomplished long-term for most individuals (and we should be able to agree that obesity poses significant health risks in itself), for you to post this:

"Please explain why people must be shamed to starve themselves to fit into a weight category *you* want them to fit just because they happen to have been born with genes that make them fat, when there are not even health benefits that result from such starvation."

is way out of line. I have stated twice prior to this post that fat shaming is unacceptable. It's irrelevant whether it's a person's choice to be substantially overweight or whether it's genetics, I have in no way condoned humiliating or shaming someone due to their body composition.


Anyway, another study showing that it's doable for some people:

"Results: Twenty-nine studies met the inclusion criteria. Successful very-low-energy diets (VLEDs) were associated with significantly greater weight-loss maintenance than were successful hypoenergetic balanced diets (HBDs) at all years of follow-up. The percentage of individuals at 4 or 5 y of follow-up for VLEDs and HBDs were 55.4% and 79.7%, respectively. The results for VLEDs and HBDs, respectively, were as follows: weight-loss maintenance, 7.1 kg (95% CI: 6.1, 8.1 kg) and 2.0 (1.5, 2.5) kg; percentage weight-loss maintenance, 29% (25%, 33%) and 17% (13%, 22%); and reduced weight, 6.6% (5.7%, 7.5%) and 2.1% (1.6%, 2.7%). Weight-loss maintenance did not differ significantly between women and men. Six studies reported that groups who exercised more had significantly greater weight-loss maintenance than did those who exercised less.

Conclusions: Five years after completing structured weight-loss programs, the average individual maintained a weight loss of >3 kg and a reduced weight of >3% of initial body weight. After VLEDs or weight loss of ?20 kg, individuals maintained significantly more weight loss than after HBDs or weight losses of <10 kg."

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/74/5/579.long

Why Fat-Shaming Is Wrong. [View all] athena Jul 2017 OP
Just one minor quibble NRaleighLiberal Jul 2017 #1
Seconded, on both counts True Dough Jul 2017 #5
You didn't bother to read the links I posted, did you? athena Jul 2017 #7
I gave them a cursory read True Dough Jul 2017 #15
95% of diets fail within five years. athena Jul 2017 #17
Conventional and fad "diets" are part of the problem True Dough Jul 2017 #20
That study was halted because it showed no reduction in mortality. athena Jul 2017 #22
You're so driven to be right that you're making an enemy out of someone who isn't one True Dough Jul 2017 #27
And just because I believe long-term weight loss is achievable for many individuals True Dough Jul 2017 #29
Agreed. Snackshack Jul 2017 #31
Thank you for this. johnp3907 Jul 2017 #2
Questionable research Loki Liesmith Jul 2017 #3
I'm sorry MFM008 Jul 2017 #4
No one should be shamed into having surgery to change their weight. athena Jul 2017 #6
No one shamed me MFM008 Jul 2017 #8
OK. athena Jul 2017 #12
Thank you MFM008 Jul 2017 #23
I have dengenerative bones... LakeArenal Jul 2017 #9
My weight loss MFM008 Jul 2017 #10
Fat shaming is wrong TBA Jul 2017 #11
We all know that if significantly less calories are consumed, weight will be lost. Doodley Jul 2017 #13
And I Disagree ProfessorGAC Jul 2017 #14
It sounds good in theory NobodyHere Jul 2017 #16
Is smoker shaming wrong? Is ignorance shaming wrong? Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #18
You should read the links in my OP. athena Jul 2017 #19
Oh Hombre74 Jul 2017 #21
For years and years I tried to quit smoking. They told me it was not a choice it was an addiction. Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #26
If being overweight were remotely as dangerous as smoking, athena Jul 2017 #36
You will find the papers that tell you what you want to hear. That's what I did as a smoker. n/t Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #43
I gained 40 pounds in 15 years. no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #24
"The reality, however, is that it is impossible to lose weight, and that being fat is not unhealthy" Towlie Jul 2017 #25
That's not my previous thread. athena Jul 2017 #30
Sorry, I corrected the error. But you know what else is funny? Towlie Jul 2017 #33
I have not read a single link yet, but intend to Not Ruth Jul 2017 #28
I know a whole lot about this subject, AND THERE IS A LIE A STATEMENT IN OP Stuart G Jul 2017 #32
Good job, Stuart! Towlie Jul 2017 #35
3% - 5% of people are able to keep the weight off. athena Jul 2017 #41
No...it does not take "superhuman effort" to lose weight.. Stuart G Jul 2017 #44
I lost 85 pounds almost ten years ago and have not regained them. cyclonefence Jul 2017 #34
Good for you, but as you say, you didn't actually diet. athena Jul 2017 #38
Diets don't work cyclonefence Jul 2017 #42
Jesus Blue_Warrior Jul 2017 #37
Hygiene shaming ... Is that okay? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #39
Chris Christie uses "unhealthy habits" to justify sending marijuana users to prison. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #40
Fat shaming is wrong because it's ineffective TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #45
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