Two wrongs don't make a right. (Reply #114)

In the discussion thread: Can we stop fat shaming politicians we don't like? [View all]

Mon Jul 3, 2017, 01:21 PM

athena (4,187 posts)

114. Two wrongs don't make a right.

If fat-shaming is wrong, it is wrong, period. The fact that Trump fat-shames women despite being fat himself doesn't make fat-shaming Trump OK. I suspect that people fat-shame Trump in the hope that he will understand his own hypocrisy or feel bad about his own weight, but that is never going to happen. Trump has narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), which means he has almost no self-consciousness.

If people want to annoy Trump, they should attack him where it hurts. They should post about how weak Trump is and what a failure he is as president. They should post endlessly about Obama's inauguration crowd size compared to Trump's, and Obama's high popularity compared to Trump's. They should post pictures of Obama being adored by large crowds. Fat-shaming Trump will not hurt Trump, but it is likely to hurt other good people who happen to be fat. Just because you don't mind the fat-shaming of Trump doesn't necessarily mean other fat people don't mind it, either. In the end, fat-shaming anyone propagates the idea that being fat is bad and shameful. And that can only hurt fat people in the long run.

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248 replies	Author	Time	Post
Can we stop fat shaming politicians we don't like? [View all]	femmedem	Jul 2017	OP
Thank you. It's just mean-spirited but not at all progressive to pull those stunts.	CBHagman	Jul 2017	#1
I agree. Those sorts of jokes should be beneath us.	mythology	Jul 2017	#2
I agree, it shows hypocrisy and we should avoid it	mdbl	Jul 2017	#3
Alleging Trump is gay to shame him	Ms. Toad	Jul 2017	#13
oh well, guess I cant even make a joke	mdbl	Jul 2017	#17
I think that was the point of the OP	dumbcat	Jul 2017	#109
Actually, I thought any sexual preference would have been grossed out, but that's just me	mdbl	Jul 2017	#240
Slow dancing in their underwear?	Ms. Toad	Jul 2017	#110
Thank you, Ms. Toad. :-)	Crash2Parties	Jul 2017	#206
(pssst. mdbl, this is the part where you say, "ooops - I'm sorry!")	Crash2Parties	Jul 2017	#207
Pssst, Im not.	mdbl	Jul 2017	#241
Thank you.	cwydro	Jul 2017	#20
I never noticed the Trump is gay narrative before you mentioned it	Not Ruth	Jul 2017	#37
Definitely -	Ms. Toad	Jul 2017	#112
Did anyone even notice	Soxfan58	Jul 2017	#214
Right. The suggestion that Mdbl meant anything other than "together"	Ms. Toad	Jul 2017	#238
sorry, you're off base on this one	mdbl	Jul 2017	#242
If I (and the others who have commented) are off base,	Ms. Toad	Jul 2017	#246
Same as MSM	thbobby	Jul 2017	#4
Fuck him. He deserves whatever shame can be dumped upon him.	Orrex	Jul 2017	#5
You of course did not read the OP at all. n/t	USALiberal	Jul 2017	#7
Since I replied directly to it and specifically addressed several points that it made...	Orrex	Jul 2017	#14
I agree about Trump, but the Christie fat insults are gratuitous and really not worthy as an attack	boston bean	Jul 2017	#8
I can agree with that	Orrex	Jul 2017	#12
Bull, this guy terrorized New Jersey...	tallahasseedem	Jul 2017	#55
But do people who share that one attribute, but not the rest? 'Cause you're hitting them, too.	Crash2Parties	Jul 2017	#208
I expect more from my leaders...	Baconator	Jul 2017	#232
It's hurtful to others...	HopeAgain	Jul 2017	#9
And we certainly don't become them by mocking them.	Orrex	Jul 2017	#22
If we are hurting people who struggle with weight	HopeAgain	Jul 2017	#40
When I am insulting Trump--by whatever mechanism--then I am insulting Trump	Orrex	Jul 2017	#45
Regardless of whether you might be offending others? NT	HopeAgain	Jul 2017	#52
If they are hypocritical, then they deserve to be offended	Orrex	Jul 2017	#53
But derogatory language sweeps broadly against the whole class of people...	HopeAgain	Jul 2017	#63
Yeah, the conversation's over when you roll out that sad and tired insult	Orrex	Jul 2017	#66
Considering the way you completely dismiss any criticism of you	mythology	Jul 2017	#103
Wait--you're justified in mocking me? How so?	Orrex	Jul 2017	#104
+1	BuddhaGirl	Jul 2017	#225
You may not be deliberately saying that...	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#71
It's too bad, because some people are capable of reading nuance and context.	kcr	Jul 2017	#77
Thank you (nt)	Orrex	Jul 2017	#83
So your response is to insult me?	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#151
I give up n/t	kcr	Jul 2017	#166
Smart move.	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#171
Your points are valid.	Chemisse	Jul 2017	#21
Really well said. Thanks.	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#73
That's not true.	kcr	Jul 2017	#78
Context is lost on those who are eager to jump on the fat-people-are-disgusting wagon.	Chemisse	Jul 2017	#87
There are also people all too eager to jump on the finger wagging band wagon.	kcr	Jul 2017	#91
Not sure, but are you accusing me of defending Trump?	Chemisse	Jul 2017	#93
No. I wasn't accusing you of anything. Please read again n/t	kcr	Jul 2017	#94
Your post was a little confusing, but "maybe even a little Trump defense"	Chemisse	Jul 2017	#95
If he or she wasn't accusing you of defending Trump, she or he was accusing me.	femmedem	Jul 2017	#202
Oh yes, us fat people can't read the context....	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#230
Emblematic of 45's hypocrisy	Rorey	Jul 2017	#25
Agreed.	MariaCSR	Jul 2017	#39
+1 nt	Javaman	Jul 2017	#48
+2	Owl	Jul 2017	#64
I have to agree with you	PatSeg	Jul 2017	#80
Thank you--that's a clear and thoughtful articulation of my point (nt)	Orrex	Jul 2017	#82
You're welcome	PatSeg	Jul 2017	#89
The discomfort with the body shaming isn't about them	TDale313	Jul 2017	#102
couldn't have said it better, LOSER 45 thinks he is the greatest, smartest, most handsome	Motley13	Jul 2017	#105
this	demtenjeep	Jul 2017	#178
+11111	happy feet	Jul 2017	#228
Nice post but it will go no where. Many here think making fun of appearance is OK. Childish IMO. n/t	USALiberal	Jul 2017	#6
So every time someone does so in a coment, we remind them. After a while it is effective.	Crash2Parties	Jul 2017	#209
Oh, good lord. I'm not Twiggy and I think the jokes are hilarious.	Vinca	Jul 2017	#10
Yeah, and black people...	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#231
Oh, good lord. No wonder lefties are accused of being humorless.	Vinca	Jul 2017	#234
Insulting someone about their looks isn't humor.	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#235
I take it you missed the Don Rickles era.	Vinca	Jul 2017	#243
I do not find insult comics amusing, generally speaking.	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#244
Well, I always crack a joke that if I go to the beach someone will try to push me back into the sea.	Vinca	Jul 2017	#245
I agree. There is enough to shame the about without getting ugly personally. I don't like fat sham	nikibatts	Jul 2017	#11
Not going to happen in NJ	JustAnotherGen	Jul 2017	#15
Yeah. The old "he did it first" excuse.	cwydro	Jul 2017	#23
It's all in how you say it	jberryhill	Jul 2017	#26
Lol.	cwydro	Jul 2017	#32
As someone who's battled weight my whole life it doesn't	50 Shades Of Blue	Jul 2017	#16
I am very overweight and I agree with you on Christie.	classykaren	Jul 2017	#18
Well it does bother me. NT	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#29
Boo friggin hoo. Agree I've been up and down weight wise. Does not bother me one bit.	Dream Girl	Jul 2017	#33
If a specific Black person is not bothered by racist comments,	athena	Jul 2017	#130
I said it didn't bother ME - and it doesn't!	50 Shades Of Blue	Jul 2017	#132
And I pointed out that it bothers others.	athena	Jul 2017	#136
Whatev!	50 Shades Of Blue	Jul 2017	#138
So that's your point. That other people's feelings don't matter.	athena	Jul 2017	#139
Whatev!	50 Shades Of Blue	Jul 2017	#141
How old are you? nt	cwydro	Jul 2017	#218
Too old for this!	50 Shades Of Blue	Jul 2017	#221
It doesn't bother me either.	47of74	Jul 2017	#176
To be fair, we have seen all of the above	IronLionZion	Jul 2017	#19
We lose any standing or credibility to criticize Trump	loyalsister	Jul 2017	#31
Thank you for posting this.	democrank	Jul 2017	#24
Thank you for this post	oberliner	Jul 2017	#27
Thank you.	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#28
Fat shaming is mean-spirited, and beneath us.	Chemisse	Jul 2017	#30
Fat jokes and ageism	zentrum	Jul 2017	#34
If there was a rule that when a poster makes fun of someone's looks	former9thward	Jul 2017	#35
Bingo! Don Pardo: Tell our winner about his great prizes!	MineralMan	Jul 2017	#128
But it's so much easier to insult from behind a mask!	nolabear	Jul 2017	#146
Yes please, it's disgusting to read.	Agschmid	Jul 2017	#36
Agreed	Takket	Jul 2017	#38
Let's add references to 'shriveled balls and flaccid penis'	melman	Jul 2017	#41
On the whole I agree,...	MarianJack	Jul 2017	#44
Yes--that's the entirety of it IMO	Orrex	Jul 2017	#56
Thanks! That is absolutely spot on. If a PUBLIC figure says bullshit like that, then he damn well	madinmaryland	Jul 2017	#137
And "he started it" makes me as a (formerly) double-chinned person feel better	Ms. Toad	Jul 2017	#247
Yes.	cwydro	Jul 2017	#47
Oh, please n/t	kcr	Jul 2017	#79
As a fat guy myself, I agree.	MarianJack	Jul 2017	#42
Not as long as trump is hypocritical enough to criticize ANYBODY ELSE'S looks. (nt)	Paladin	Jul 2017	#43
Yeah. "Wah, he did it first!"	cwydro	Jul 2017	#69
No	Tarc	Jul 2017	#46
I noticed Christie lost a lot of weight from the stomach surgery he had 2?? years ago.	Sunlei	Jul 2017	#49
He had the band operation	47of74	Jul 2017	#179
He looks like he lost about 100lbs but I guess that wasn't enough for the t(R)ump campaign image.	Sunlei	Jul 2017	#217
He did lose about 85 pounds	47of74	Jul 2017	#219
You're right, their personalities would clash in dramatic LOUD ways.	Sunlei	Jul 2017	#220
Both are fat and disgusting individuals....	LovingA2andMI	Jul 2017	#50
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2017	#70
but by using that phrase...	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#75
Ironically, I find models and slender women to be undesirable.	madinmaryland	Jul 2017	#140
So fat equals disgusting?	Chemisse	Jul 2017	#88
I will not fat shame any person	Amimnoch	Jul 2017	#51
:thumbsup:	Orrex	Jul 2017	#57
So if a Black person is a misogynist, you feel free to attack them with racist slurs?	athena	Jul 2017	#120
No. Both of them believe they are gifts to society.	tallahasseedem	Jul 2017	#54
They will never accept anything.	athena	Jul 2017	#121
In general I agree. Trump may be an exception because of his constant comments about other people's	stevenleser	Jul 2017	#58
Agree as to those like Trump. No different than calling out personal morality issues....	Honeycombe8	Jul 2017	#61
No,	Polly Hennessey	Jul 2017	#59
PLenty to insult him on...	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#65
I am so sorry that you have to put up with that.	athena	Jul 2017	#122
Thank you!	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#172
When you get a chance,	athena	Jul 2017	#174
I agree for some politicians. But I think it's valid in some instances.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2017	#60
Here's the issue...	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#67
But they're not insulting him for being fat. Why is this so hard?	kcr	Jul 2017	#175
I don't see that...	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#185
So if Trump called you fat	Proud liberal 80	Jul 2017	#183
No, I'd call him an asshole.	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#186
Plenty to criticize without going there. Misogyny, bigotry and fat shaming	ehrnst	Jul 2017	#62
Thank you. Also how many times "fat & disgusting"	nadine_mn	Jul 2017	#68
Apparently, there are a few adolescent posters in DU.	cwydro	Jul 2017	#72
Too be honest...	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#74
I've spoken up about those gay jokes.	cwydro	Jul 2017	#76
Well said. n/t	Chemisse	Jul 2017	#96
I'm not down with fat shaming, but some of the posts on DU are actually calling out hypocricy	kcr	Jul 2017	#81
+100 nt	cyclonefence	Jul 2017	#237
Mocking the outside has always been a way to convey the corruption of the inside. Chaucer:	WinkyDink	Jul 2017	#84
'Cos bringing papercuts to a knife fight always works so well...	HipChick	Jul 2017	#85
Thank you for standing up. You are correct.	Raster	Jul 2017	#86
Thank you! It's just so juvenile. Sick of it...n/t	PasadenaTrudy	Jul 2017	#90
He opens himself up to it by commenting on the appearance of others...	onecaliberal	Jul 2017	#92
Damn. The Christie thread is just loaded with fatness comments.	Chemisse	Jul 2017	#97
Those are indeed discouraging, and yet very different	Orrex	Jul 2017	#111
That thread is what inspired my op.	femmedem	Jul 2017	#195
Trump is made fun of for many physical characteristics	cyclonefence	Jul 2017	#98
So long as the post is accompanied by a full length body pic of the poster in swim attire,	linuxman	Jul 2017	#99
I know several competition-grade fitness models who would be happy to do so	Orrex	Jul 2017	#100
Sorry, but that's Trump's argument for going after his critics. Politicians HAVE POWER,	WinkyDink	Jul 2017	#196
Mocking only policy denies us our pretense of cleverness, excellence, and ethical transcendence.	LanternWaste	Jul 2017	#101
Mocking policy doesn't elicit a response from Trump	Orrex	Jul 2017	#106
We should defer to the experts	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2017	#159
As I noted, the brilliant Chaucer would beg to differ. (And who is this "us"?)	WinkyDink	Jul 2017	#197
Let's be clear: Republicans are not the "opposition." They are the ENEMY.	Fluke a Snooker	Jul 2017	#107
Dump has fat shamed any woman he doesn't like	Warpy	Jul 2017	#108
Two wrongs don't make a right.	athena	Jul 2017	#114
I refuse to get into a snit over fat shaming a fat shamer.	Warpy	Jul 2017	#115
Posting an opinion different from yours is not "lecturing".	athena	Jul 2017	#117
Winner	Rustyeye77	Jul 2017	#118
True. Yet it seems unfair	treestar	Jul 2017	#124
Trump's actions are his alone. Emulating his actions normalizes them.	athena	Jul 2017	#134
Mocking Trump for his fatness is not fat-shaming; it's hypocrisy-shaming	Orrex	Jul 2017	#133
So you want to emulate his behavior. When I grow up, mom, I want to act just like the president	Ms. Toad	Jul 2017	#116
There is that straw man word again, "so."	Warpy	Jul 2017	#119
I agree. Trump drew first blood.	hamsterjill	Jul 2017	#223
Thank you. Too many of these SYTs don't get that	Warpy	Jul 2017	#229
I agree, but folks on DU are going to fight for their right to be assholes vigorously...	SaschaHM	Jul 2017	#113
I agree though for the Orange Toxin	treestar	Jul 2017	#123
It doesn't matter that he is a vile, small-minded bigot.	Ms. Toad	Jul 2017	#126
I'm overweight too	treestar	Jul 2017	#127
That's not true, though	Orrex	Jul 2017	#135
We should do that, but probably won't.	MineralMan	Jul 2017	#125
How about GLUTTONY shaming?	tenderfoot	Jul 2017	#129
Christie is not going to be ashamed by anything anyone posts here.	athena	Jul 2017	#149
Fuck that fat miserable dirt bag that enjoys making good fat people's lives miserable.	tenderfoot	Jul 2017	#162
Why?	Hombre74	Jul 2017	#131
That is an interesting spin	Not Ruth	Jul 2017	#161
Once again, demands being made that Democrats be models of decorum....	Paladin	Jul 2017	#142
+1	hamsterjill	Jul 2017	#224
+1	dalton99a	Jul 2017	#248
No	MFM008	Jul 2017	#143
Would you attack them with racist slurs if they were Black?	athena	Jul 2017	#148
Uhh...	Hombre74	Jul 2017	#154
According to scientific studies, diets almost never work in the long term.	athena	Jul 2017	#169
Yes, I know them	Hombre74	Jul 2017	#180
False equivalency	MFM008	Jul 2017	#168
It's called an analogy.	athena	Jul 2017	#170
I think	MFM008	Jul 2017	#173
Thanks for being honest.	athena	Jul 2017	#189
Now hold on! None of those analogies apply; take it from someone who decided to lose weight and did.	Towlie	Jul 2017	#144
Just because you were able to lose weight doesn't mean everyone can.	athena	Jul 2017	#147
On the contrary...	Towlie	Jul 2017	#155
How long have you kept off the weight?	athena	Jul 2017	#157
No, you have it wrong.	Towlie	Jul 2017	#163
Good job, ignoring 90% of my post, and making a totally unsubstantiated argument.	athena	Jul 2017	#165
Oh my...	Hombre74	Jul 2017	#177
Responses to your comments:	athena	Jul 2017	#181
Science...	Hombre74	Jul 2017	#184
Drought was a huge issue for hunter gathers	hack89	Jul 2017	#192
Herbivores and omnivores are affected by droughts. Fewer of them affects carnivores. Drought affects	uppityperson	Jul 2017	#193
And early hominids were not carnivores. Nt	hack89	Jul 2017	#201
uhhh	Hombre74	Jul 2017	#167
Here's the scoop on fluctuating weight:	Towlie	Jul 2017	#187
Yup	Hombre74	Jul 2017	#150
When you single out a physical feature of a person and use that feature...	JHan	Jul 2017	#160
It's ugly and unhealthy,	Adrahil	Jul 2017	#153
I've never been heavy...	HopeAgain	Jul 2017	#164
Thank you. It's extraordinarily painful to read.	nolabear	Jul 2017	#145
You mean Christie and Trump? Ummmm, let me think about it....	Hekate	Jul 2017	#152
Can we still make fun of them for being colossal douchebag?	Initech	Jul 2017	#156
Er... Christie wants to use "unhealthy habits" as an excuse to put pot smokers in prison.	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2017	#158
I think it is ok to go after Trump for his weight	Proud liberal 80	Jul 2017	#182
It is better to attack politicians on policy grounds.	Willie Pep	Jul 2017	#188
Unfortunately, when they go low and we go high, they go to the White House.	Vinca	Jul 2017	#215
I have never fat-shamed, I never will	Skittles	Jul 2017	#190
+1	BuddhaGirl	Jul 2017	#233
I'm sorry but	Sabrinao	Jul 2017	#191
I respect a dead grain moth in my pantry more than I respect Trump.	femmedem	Jul 2017	#199
Unfirtunately this is the MO of a lot of DUers...	MadDAsHell	Jul 2017	#194
"A lot of DUers"?? Oh, RILLY?	WinkyDink	Jul 2017	#200
How about "hair-shaming"? "Small-hands-shaming"? You get my drift.	WinkyDink	Jul 2017	#198
I have no problem with hair-shaming the ridiculous way Trump tries to hide his bald spot.	femmedem	Jul 2017	#203
My point wasn't really about hair, per se (though I am balding); it was about the entire	WinkyDink	Jul 2017	#216
It is a cheap shot, for sure	Generic Brad	Jul 2017	#204
NO we can't.	trueblue2007	Jul 2017	#205
I am glad this thread was posted.	Gore1FL	Jul 2017	#210
I honestly don't think Trump is all that fat	LeftInTX	Jul 2017	#211
thank you	barbtries	Jul 2017	#212
Agreed. It makes our lofty ideals about an inclusive society look hypocritical.	TrollBuster9090	Jul 2017	#213
So we're not allowed to say that Christie is the second blimp to crash in New Jersey? :) - nt	KingCharlemagne	Jul 2017	#222
If a post or thread is offensive to you,	hamsterjill	Jul 2017	#226
Agreed. Add "small penis" shaming to the list as well.	emulatorloo	Jul 2017	#227
Alert! Alert! Fatshaming violation in Tuesday Toon Roundup by n2doc!	Towlie	Jul 2017	#236
Ho about no fat shaming regardless of who it is? n/t	FreeState	Jul 2017	#239

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