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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders extremely disappointed by stalling of Californias single-payer health care bill [View all]Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)230. It's called nuance...
I guess I incorrectly thought that people here would understand nuance...
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Bernie Sanders extremely disappointed by stalling of Californias single-payer health care bill [View all]
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
OP
I agree with you, but the higher taxes needed for single payer especially at the state
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#65
That is actually the reason he put it on hold until we know what happens in congress
still_one
Jun 2017
#32
Yes, there were sensible and logical reasons why proceeding would have been a mistake. But...
George II
Jun 2017
#108
California has 40 million residents. That's a lot to cover with no federal help.
demosincebirth
Jun 2017
#153
California isn't it's own country. a lot of California money goes to support the entire nation
JI7
Jun 2017
#206
Especially since they were proposing to transfer Medicare and Medicaid to help fund it.
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#185
If you're talking about Saskatchewan, at the time it was passed they were covering only....
George II
Jun 2017
#118
And didn't go federal until all the provinces did so independently - which took from '47 to '61..
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#186
Exactly. If it isn't done right it will give republicans more ammunition for why it won't work.
George II
Jun 2017
#111
Not that many - the vast majority have multi-payer systems to achieve universal health care
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#182
"Which one of his legislative accomplishments are you the most proud of?" You were recently asked
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#57
I have plenty to say on that, if its fucking relevant. What is relevant is that Single Payer is the
JCanete
Jun 2017
#86
This is a discussion board. No matter how much profanity you use, you don't get to dictate what
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#105
it's not germane to a discussion of whether or not we should have single payer. Its harping on how
JCanete
Jun 2017
#107
So, aftet all, you didn't have "plenty to say" about his legislative accomplishments
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#115
address what I've said, which actually applies to the OP, and I'll address your BS
JCanete
Jun 2017
#117
No, you said you have plenty to say. When I asked you to proceed, all you give did was
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#124
even in my original post I was clear that I wasn't going to get off topic and go into it, because,
JCanete
Jun 2017
#126
lol, OK you win. The question is relevant because Sanders is an expert in pointing fingers and
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#143
yes, and thank you. I promise to respond to this when I have the energy. Just got off work. nt
JCanete
Jun 2017
#150
Please point to the "disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks" in this
emulatorloo
Jun 2017
#109
That says don't BASH Democratic public figures, not don't criticize Democratic public figures.
George II
Jun 2017
#158
I think it is more that Democrats are going to stand up and speak out against his insults
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#165
What action can Bernie take in California? He won't even talk about Vermont's failed attempt. (nt)
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#195
Maybe you should go read the rules where it is clearly spelled out that attacking Sanders is not ok
Kentonio
Jun 2017
#207
Sanders says he is not a liberal. Progressive, yes. But, not a liberal, or Democrat.
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#209
Explain to me please, how Sanders is allowed to attack the Democratic Party and
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#212
Promoting "both parties are the same" is a lie. Why wouldn't I challenge a lie? Eom
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#215
It is his words. He has been saying it for decades. I listen to what a person says.
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#217
No, stating both parties are the same simply is not factual, nor condusive for the good of the whole
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#219
Sanders words said repeatedly. Please, do not call me a liar when the facts prove otherwise. Eom
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#221
The facts speak for themselves. It is out there. Others will interpret as they will. Eom
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#223
Yes, and I'll make sure that people who try and present only a small part of the picture
Kentonio
Jun 2017
#224
The same he is demanding every Democrat, and then bashing when not done to his satisfaction.
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#44
He could talk about lessons learned from Vermont's failure, instead of getting irritated at
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#196
No, but he should start small and local and try to get it passed in his OWN state....
George II
Jun 2017
#120
Removing the criminal health insurance bloodsuckers would save $500 billion/year...
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#29
Well, all it takes is the will of the people to put in statespersons to...
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#37
Even worse are hospitals, drug companies, etc. Single payer countries say No to suppliers
Hoyt
Jun 2017
#42
What the GOPers are doing now is rationing. If you want an affordable system, it is
Hoyt
Jun 2017
#100
Pigs will fly first....doctors spend tons of money in order to become doctors...it is a 10-12 year
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#66
THIS +oo !!!! How in the hell do people NOT understand this along with hospital groups and pharma!?
YCHDT
Jun 2017
#174
The best idea would be some sort of payroll healthcare contribution tax...like Social Security and..
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#30
And what mechanism would you use to force people to join? What about Medicaid?
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#67
These countries are not even close to our country in ideology or population.
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#68
We should have passed it. We should all be pissed that it didn't. Why aren't you? nt
JCanete
Jun 2017
#87
We have a long history of things just getting tabled and the focus moving on to other things.
JCanete
Jun 2017
#93
So has Feinstein. This is a fucking problem. I don't know why people think everything is fine
JCanete
Jun 2017
#116
That is a good thing. Most other developed nations have multi-payer universal health care
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#201
No, but I recognize the futility of beating people up when they're unable to implement it...
brooklynite
Jun 2017
#90
Well, polling has shown shifts in support of ACA, but no appreciable shift in Single Payer...;
brooklynite
Jun 2017
#97
"Overall, 33% of the public now favors such a single payer approach to health insurance"
George II
Jun 2017
#137
Here is something else you missed in the article excerpt I posted in my post:
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#141
But that is irrelevant to the discussion - that's not "single payer", I'm surprised it's not higher.
George II
Jun 2017
#142
It's not the only way to universal health care - most other countries have multi-payer.
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#202
I don't know how many times I've pointed that out over the months. He can't get it done...
George II
Jun 2017
#138
You're correct. It's an ineffective strategy that leaves himself open to ridicule and mocking...
NurseJackie
Jun 2017
#171
You know, Senator Sanders - the most popular Senator and one of a very few...
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#103
do you know whether or not he did? From a brief search, it looks like he put in some effort.
JCanete
Jun 2017
#122
If he was familiar with why it stalled perhaps he wouldn't be as "extremely disappointed"?
George II
Jun 2017
#123
I read an opinion this morning that some horse-trading went on because of the new gas tax
Starry Messenger
Jun 2017
#127
that's confident. We have a lot of disfunctional shit in this state, even though our Democrats
JCanete
Jun 2017
#151
Interesting..."Present what he's accomplished vs California Democrats side-by-side."
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#147
Asking him to talk about what happened in Vermont in order to learn from it is "shooting" him?
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#204
Yeah, suddenly the expert on California, but gets defensive when asked about his home state.
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#179
And actually answers questions that indicate that he actually learns from history
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#176
The worst thing that can happen is you don't have all your ducks lined up so to speak
still_one
Jun 2017
#205
