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kentuck

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32. It may be surprising, but some Democrats thought she should have left when Harry Reid left?

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 02:58 PM

Jun 2017

Of course, they only measure success by the number of House and Senate seats lost or gained, I suppose?

If Democrats do not take back the House in 2018, then I would agree with those that say it is time for her to step down. This is not a good time to be fighting divisive battles. She has been a great Speaker and Leader.

But in 2018, it may be time for the Party to go in a new direction? I'm not sure this is the best time to fight about it. There are bigger battles to fight, in my opinion.

Somebody has to fight for this country. It is going down the crapper rapidly.

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Double-talking Tim Ryan viciously bashes his party & mentor Pelosi now he's being exposed [View all] pirateshipdude Jun 2017 OP

And there actually are people who think he'd be a better leader mcar Jun 2017 #1

Tim Ryan squirming today is funny. Cha Jun 2017 #100

If he wants to be leader, he needs to work on his leadership skills... Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #2

Leaders prove they are team players first. Tim Ryan is failing badly. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #6

Cannot disagree... Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #26

As a team, Democrats are still much better than the Republicons. 6 years, 60 votes & they still cant Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #43

They had to cheat their way to a win with gerrymandering, voter suppression, pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #44

Your points are good too. thx. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #45

That's HOW they win, since 2000. They do about 20 Alice11111 Jun 2017 #74

I agree with all you are saying. I think we have a strong message and pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #80

Yes, cheating in every way &lying & discrediting Hillary, Alice11111 Jun 2017 #107

Yes. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #111

Fuck him! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #3

tapes? OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #39

Very bad form. Total lack of respect. bitterross Jun 2017 #4

I agree completely. MBS Jun 2017 #28

I know. I don't expect total GOP-like unquestioning obedience. bitterross Jun 2017 #50

+ 1000. MBS Jun 2017 #54

Agree about Pelosi/DWS tazkcmo Jun 2017 #101

The House Dem leadership should at least give him a (somewhat threatening) tblue37 Jun 2017 #33

Can't imagine what he thinks he will gain trashing the Democrats. ehrnst Jun 2017 #5

He has certainly lost a lot in the Democratic caucus with words like that. He and that.... George II Jun 2017 #12

Is this Rice woman the one with long brown hair Control-Z Jun 2017 #49

Yes, Kathleen Rice, a congresswoman from Long Island. I didn't see her singing Pelosi's praises.... George II Jun 2017 #57

A Walking Case Of Jackassery Me. Jun 2017 #7

+1. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #8

I saw that interview the other night when it took place, it was sickening. George II Jun 2017 #9

He is a BAD MAN. This made me cry. trueblue2007 Jun 2017 #10

Ugh. Sometimes I would see him at a meditation group I used to go to. Glimmer of Hope Jun 2017 #11

I never even heard of that bozo before last week, when certain DUers began chanting his name... Hekate Jun 2017 #13

I didn't know about Ryan either. I love that they put out what Pelosi has accomplished. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #15

I knew of him when Cha Jun 2017 #75

Sore loser, eh? Hekate Jun 2017 #77

Yeah, he sounds real Cha Jun 2017 #79

We seem to have a handful of sore losers, lol. Eom. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #82

I heard dibbles only because Pelosi had a slam dunk, so I did not invest time and effort. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #81

Tim Ryan apologizes for using word 'dago' in TV interview Cha Jun 2017 #93

Good Lord Hekate Jun 2017 #98

If this is true, he's not just a Dino, he's a quisling. Greybnk48 Jun 2017 #14

It looks like trouble ahead. kentuck Jun 2017 #16

I'm at a loss too. Greybnk48 Jun 2017 #25

I think there's a troll attack amplifying this nonsense. He's got no bonafides. bettyellen Jun 2017 #30

Rep. Tim Ryan apologizes for using word 'dago' in TV interview Cha Jun 2017 #94

What a fucking idiot. Oh lord. I follow Al also, but missed that so thank you my bettyellen Jun 2017 #95

Ciao, Bella! Cha Jun 2017 #97

Why does he call himself a Democrat? NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #17

He should leave and take half the Party with him? kentuck Jun 2017 #18

He's ALREADY doing that NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #19

Here is the thing. I was thinking this morning the conversation bringing knife to a gun fight. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #20

Ahem, He & Krystal Ball Have Already Started To Do THat Me. Jun 2017 #21

Half the Party? blue-wave Jun 2017 #22

My thoughts as well.n/t MBS Jun 2017 #29

It may be surprising, but some Democrats thought she should have left when Harry Reid left? kentuck Jun 2017 #32

I do not agree with the "new" direction nor do the majority of Democrats. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #36

You are entitled to your opinion. kentuck Jun 2017 #46

I never suggested "everyone" was suppose to agree with me. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #48

You just better hope there is not a tape, buster. kentuck Jun 2017 #53

Saying the majority opposes is factual. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #59

I haven't seen any recent polls but that is probably correct. kentuck Jun 2017 #63

We can look at the elections and see the results. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #64

Which results are you talking about? kentuck Jun 2017 #70

What specific direction would that be? LanternWaste Jun 2017 #117

He's an asshole and I wish he'd leave Ohio. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #23

The real question about Tim Ryan is who's paying him? hedda_foil Jun 2017 #24

Jim Trafficant's district mikeyDE Jun 2017 #27

The DNC needs to Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #31

"That'll be the day," Buddy Holly Alice11111 Jun 2017 #108

Ryan: The Conserva-dem version of Sanders Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #34

We know how to work around people like Tim Ryan. Our party, because it so inclusive, has always had nikibatts Jun 2017 #35

Republicans are very good at calling names and attempting to brand their opponents. kentuck Jun 2017 #37

+1. Good post. Thank-you. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #38

I will admit I haven't followed this much crazycatlady Jun 2017 #40

We need someone to beat up Democrats and lie about them, their productiveness and pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #47

That is not what I'm trying to say crazycatlady Jun 2017 #51

That is a whole other discussion though. We are talking about Democrats purposely being destruction pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #58

People act as if they are "threatened" if another Democrat disagrees? kentuck Jun 2017 #55

this crazycatlady Jun 2017 #56

We are discussing a deliberate trashing. That is not the same as disagreeing. Eom. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #60

I guess it depends on what the meaning of "trashing" is?? kentuck Jun 2017 #62

Pelosi was more toxic than Trump, Ryan actually said yes. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #65

No. The answer would not be "Of course not" to many Democrats in many districts ... kentuck Jun 2017 #72

Well, I totally disagree that any district but GOP red feels Pelosi is as bad or worse, than Trump. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #83

I don't know Ryan that well, but it seems from his rhetoric that he's just capitalizing on JCanete Jun 2017 #61

They Are Threatened... LovingA2andMI Jun 2017 #69

Defining the conversation? Again, no threat, but a problem with trashing, not disagreeing. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #84

Isn't disagreeing a form of Trashing in most cases.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2017 #86

No. Two separate animals. Maybe that is the issue. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #87

Actually, it's... LovingA2andMI Jun 2017 #88

He said she was as bad if not worse than Trump. It factually is wrong in the dishonest, pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #89

The error in his thinking is that any Democratic leader will remain popular under GOP attack. NT. andym Jun 2017 #67

In Atlanta we don't think of ourselves as flyover country. We delisen Jun 2017 #102

should leave the party and that includes all "bluedog" dems. AllaN01Bear Jun 2017 #41

Can we ignore him now? wryter2000 Jun 2017 #42

Tim Ryan had better start thinking about 2018. MineralMan Jun 2017 #52

Jesus! This is SO "House of Cards" He's disloyal. His comments hurt and divide and weaken our party. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #66

Anyone hear the Bill Press show Friday? A guest who writes for AJT Jun 2017 #68

Hm. Eom. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #85

He is a Democrat so it's ok... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #71

The error in his thinking is that any Democratic congressional leader would remain popular andym Jun 2017 #73

This is the way the GOP plays the game. kentuck Jun 2017 #76

Let's assume he is 100% correct Nevernose Jun 2017 #78

While his rhetoric is despicable, he's a "Joe Manchin" type of Democrat. Tatiana Jun 2017 #90

I think we at least call them out for their dishonesty and the harm they orchestrate. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #91

Joe Manchin is not asking for leadership in the senate though La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #116

Rep. Tim Ryan apologizes for using word 'dago' in TV interview Cha Jun 2017 #92

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #96

Tim Ryan squirming today is funny. Cha Jun 2017 #99

Any elected Dem who isn't laser focused on healthcare right now Cha Jun 2017 #103

"gaggle of Dem reps plotting to oust her WHILE THE GOP IS TRYING TO KILL US." pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #106

You're welcome, pirateshipdude.. Cha Jun 2017 #109

Perhaps he is related to Paul Ryan? still_one Jun 2017 #104

A contested primary would be appropriate. Sneederbunk Jun 2017 #105

Meanwhile, Nancy.. "We need to be taking care of our veterans.." Cha Jun 2017 #110

That snake will NEVER lead the party now ecstatic Jun 2017 #112

This guy gives me the willies lillypaddle Jun 2017 #113

This is very disappointing, and not the way to do it IronLionZion Jun 2017 #114

I hope he gets primaried La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #115

"In some parts of the country, she is" is absolutely correct. Orsino Jun 2017 #118