Not supporting an extremely effective leader who happens to be female IS sexist. (Reply #107)

In the discussion thread: its time for nancy pelosi to go away [View all]

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 12:23 PM

athena (4,187 posts)

107. Not supporting an extremely effective leader who happens to be female IS sexist.

The sexists gave us President Trump because they simply couldn't handle the idea of being led by someone with a vagina. Now they're trying to take power away one of the best leaders the House has ever had because she happens to have a vagina, as well. Then, they turn around and attack those who object to this sexism of being sexist ourselves.

I've had enough of this. Anyone who posts here about how Nancy Pelosi is not an effective leader reveals one thing, and one thing only: how utterly clueless he is about politics and what goes on in the House.

You should educate yourself before giving into your impulse to attack women because they happen to be women and are by definition less exciting to you as leaders than men are. Here is a start:

Washington Post: Nancy Pelosi turns 75 today. She’s still the most effective leader in Congress.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/26/nancy-pelosi-turns-75-today-shes-still-the-most-effective-leader-in-congress

Washington Monthly: Nancy Pelosi Is the Most Effective Member of the Resistance
http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/05/04/nancy-pelosi-is-the-most-effective-member-of-the-resistence/

The Atlantic: The Staying Power of Nancy Pelosi
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-staying-power-of-nancy-pelosi/440022/

Alternet: Nancy Pelosi: The Most Effective Speaker of the House in History
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/425315/nancy_pelosi%3A_the_most_effective_speaker_of_the_house_in_history

The Guardian: Nancy Pelosi: is this the most powerful woman in US history?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/26/nancy-pelosi-politician-speaker

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258 replies	Author	Time	Post
its time for nancy pelosi to go away [View all]	rdking647	Jun 2017	OP
It's wrong that she's a target.....	vi5	Jun 2017	#1
Whoever leads the party will come under attack	bottomofthehill	Jun 2017	#30
100% agree, Democrats shouldn't be defining their leaders based on what Reps think. We just need to	OnDoutside	Jun 2017	#61
Yes, ridiculous to take out our leaders because	Hortensis	Jun 2017	#122
We get attacked for simply existing!	Initech	Jun 2017	#137
The GOP ALWAYS attacks Democrats, especially prominent ones. ALWAYS!	SharonAnn	Jun 2017	#249
You know all those GOP ads about her are because she's seen as too liberal	BainsBane	Jun 2017	#70
It's not about reality it's about perception...	vi5	Jun 2017	#81
So let me get this straight: you're going to let the GOP pick our Dem leaders, vi5...	Hekate	Jun 2017	#109
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying	vi5	Jun 2017	#121
the current dem establisment has manages to lose the hose,senate,white house and most states	rdking647	Jun 2017	#147
Nope, apparently not.	vi5	Jun 2017	#160
The first woman to rise that high is not "status quo."	Hortensis	Jun 2017	#132
what has she done recently?	rdking647	Jun 2017	#148
I'm interested in what you're doing, arguing a viewpoint	Hortensis	Jun 2017	#161
oh hear we go.	JHan	Jun 2017	#2
how does she help the party	rdking647	Jun 2017	#6
every fucking democrat is a target for the GOP	JHan	Jun 2017	#16
It's still time for someone new.	Fait Accompli	Jun 2017	#31
Nancy Pelosi is the furthest fucking thing in my mind.	JHan	Jun 2017	#33
Me neither	leftynyc	Jun 2017	#54
Agreed. They dislike her, or any dem, because she is effective. nt	jrthin	Jun 2017	#77
+100.	obnoxiousdrunk	Jun 2017	#40
+1000	ATL Ebony	Jun 2017	#133
Of course she's a target!	Dulcinea	Jun 2017	#71
Every single Democratic Party Member is a target	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2017	#89
So is it also time for Bernie Sanders to go?	Amimnoch	Jun 2017	#90
Pelosi's job is not to lead the party.	lapucelle	Jun 2017	#227
I agree 100 %, but you will get heated opposition here on DU!	Chasstev365	Jun 2017	#3
Gee she just keeps getting elected to her position	comradebillyboy	Jun 2017	#4
i dont care if the leaders a man,woman, or whatever	rdking647	Jun 2017	#9
No You Don't Care About Gender	Me.	Jun 2017	#39
The poster is obviously sincere; don't deflect	BeyondGeography	Jun 2017	#112
It Would Go A Distance In Letting Him Off Misogyny Hook	Me.	Jun 2017	#116
You don't know shit about me	rdking647	Jun 2017	#119
What I Do Know Is That When Putting Together A List Of Possible Leaders	Me.	Jun 2017	#134
Instead I'll just ignore you	rdking647	Jun 2017	#139
Fine By Me	Me.	Jun 2017	#142
Well, you just get up and go to DC and you	WhiteTara	Jun 2017	#49
Guess you forgot about the ACA. nt	DURHAM D	Jun 2017	#5
Didn't they pass the Senate version?	zipplewrath	Jun 2017	#117
Not one Democrat voted for it...not one.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#217
You mean the AHCA aka Trumpcare? There seems to be some confusion in the subthread.	Hekate	Jun 2017	#230
That is what I mean sorry for the confusion...she kept every Democrat in line...that is leadership.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#238
Do you mean the AHCA aka Trumpcare? There seems to be some confusion downthread.	Hekate	Jun 2017	#229
Playing Devil's Advocate Here	LOL Lib	Jun 2017	#7
It could be a little of both	leftstreet	Jun 2017	#11
Yes, that's exactly what Republicans have said about her..	JHan	Jun 2017	#21
Has anyone around here ever defined "status quo"? No.	George II	Jun 2017	#84
They've tried to and it's always some BS.	JHan	Jun 2017	#162
Very likely and	LOL Lib	Jun 2017	#29
ah, ya think?? MESSAGE IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM......	a kennedy	Jun 2017	#45
OK, replace her with Waters ... sound good or does someone have to repeat this over and over again	YCHDT	Jun 2017	#8
This is one way you can tell it's a Wednesday after an election	Blue_Adept	Jun 2017	#10
Really good point	mcar	Jun 2017	#14
+1	Blue_Tires	Jun 2017	#24
Exactly	NastyRiffraff	Jun 2017	#65
Heh, now this one would be worth a rec!	Amimnoch	Jun 2017	#93
yeah, absolutely, let's kick out the woman and bring in a man. any man will do.	unblock	Jun 2017	#12
the only reason she has experience as speaker is shes been leader since 2003	rdking647	Jun 2017	#18
What then is the precise and objective measure of effectiveness?	LanternWaste	Jun 2017	#36
This! (nt)	ehrnst	Jun 2017	#38
not losing the house,senate etc is a pretty good measure	rdking647	Jun 2017	#187
And this is Nancy P's individual fault, how?	Hekate	Jun 2017	#207
Passing the ACA was Pelosi in the house.	apcalc	Jun 2017	#57
I believe we're long overdue for a clean sweep.	Jacquette	Jun 2017	#58
Wow. A lifetime of service to the Democratic Party & its agenda, and this is the thanks she gets....	Hekate	Jun 2017	#175
Look for our solid leaders to be raked over and primaried next year . Not just Pelosi. Ugh	lunasun	Jun 2017	#181
They're picking off the powerful Dem women one by one already, as someone pointed out...	Hekate	Jun 2017	#193
thank you and goodbye	rdking647	Jun 2017	#188
The US Constitution allows "term limits" of 2 years, 4 years, and 6 years, subject to the will...	Hekate	Jun 2017	#206
+1	Owl	Jun 2017	#242
Perhaps if you were clearer on what you want done differently...	Orsino	Jun 2017	#63
Nancy Pelosi never lost a floor vote	mcar	Jun 2017	#143
thats because they rarely bring anything to the floor without the votes already counted....	rdking647	Jun 2017	#158
Well, yeah, that's the way it's done	mcar	Jun 2017	#169
I am sorry but that is not true...without Nancy's expert speakership...the	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#221
not supporting pelosi doesnt make one sexist	rdking647	Jun 2017	#19
True. Suggesting any of 4 men and zero women would do better also doesn't make it sexist.	unblock	Jun 2017	#76
Not supporting an extremely effective leader who happens to be female IS sexist.	athena	Jun 2017	#107
Great reading list X 1000	Hekate	Jun 2017	#177
Thank you, Hekate!	athena	Jun 2017	#178
she's been ELECTED head of Dems by her peers	bigtree	Jun 2017	#13
My exact thoughts. Well said. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++	still_one	Jun 2017	#56
Came here to say this	mahina	Jun 2017	#86
#fakenews.	stonecutter357	Jun 2017	#15
If Jesus Christ was the Dem leader of the House, the GOP would demonize him...	First Speaker	Jun 2017	#17
Then we might as well get the devil	leftstreet	Jun 2017	#22
rather not bring in the second string while we are at war.	delisen	Jun 2017	#20
Maybe, if we stood up and steadfastly defended our own leaders ...	dawg	Jun 2017	#23
Wrong... Next thread...	Blue_Tires	Jun 2017	#25
Her job is to lead the House Democratic. She's PHENOMENAL at it.	Bleacher Creature	Jun 2017	#26
You do know	Proud Liberal Dem	Jun 2017	#27
We need to start telling the GOP to go fuck themselves and start doing some real leading.	Initech	Jun 2017	#34
I agree. What do you suggest we do exactly?	Proud Liberal Dem	Jun 2017	#41
they won...to the victors go the spoils...too many view their	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#46
And they love rubbing salt in the wound too.	Initech	Jun 2017	#64
We are fighting back.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#69
I guess leadership doesn't count when the leader happens to be a woman.	athena	Jun 2017	#108
It is time for Pelosi haters to go away. I have no interest in purging solid liberals	emulatorloo	Jun 2017	#28
Or	Me.	Jun 2017	#43
+1000	Proud Liberal Dem	Jun 2017	#48
+10000! I agree!	skylucy	Jun 2017	#55
Exactly what I was going to say	nini	Jun 2017	#62
WRONG! (What else ya got?)	NurseJackie	Jun 2017	#32
Baloney	apcalc	Jun 2017	#35
Exactly. What this thread shows is that if you happen to be a woman,	athena	Jun 2017	#111
No, not every Dem feels this way	RiverStone	Jun 2017	#226
I agree that she needs to go. And I like her. Nt	SweetieD	Jun 2017	#37
Sexist.	AngryAmish	Jun 2017	#42
Funny how the pols who need to be taken down are always women. nt	BainsBane	Jun 2017	#74
No it is not.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#44
The voters in her district keep sending her back to Congress, though.	MineralMan	Jun 2017	#47
why repeat GOP talking points? The GOP have demonized Pelosi for years because she is effective.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#50
i like her!	samnsara	Jun 2017	#51
No	Freethinker65	Jun 2017	#52
No.	tammywammy	Jun 2017	#53
Team Pelosi are keepers. Have a good day.	riversedge	Jun 2017	#59
what has she done recently???	rdking647	Jun 2017	#149
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE LATELY except for bashing the Democratic Congresswomen Pelosi?	trueblue2007	Jun 2017	#243
The problem is...	Else You Are Mad	Jun 2017	#60
I love her. i don't care if we win if we have to compromise like that!	Bonx	Jun 2017	#66
ACA	BainsBane	Jun 2017	#67
No matter what her credentials are, the 'right' despises her	awesomerwb1	Jun 2017	#68
The dislike for her is that she's seen as a liberal	BainsBane	Jun 2017	#73
Of course it's because she's a demonic liberal to them	awesomerwb1	Jun 2017	#99
They despise her because she's a woman and she's EFFECTIVE.	pnwmom	Jun 2017	#79
Never said Ossoff lost because of her lol	awesomerwb1	Jun 2017	#100
New blood isn't immune from fake attacks. Fake attacks will be made against	pnwmom	Jun 2017	#102
Well, yeah, of course.	awesomerwb1	Jun 2017	#106
Nothing personal, just business...IOW, Stop making sense	BeyondGeography	Jun 2017	#159
And they will despise anyone in that role...as for me, the right does not get to decide who leads my	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#190
Her time has passed	oswaldactedalone	Jun 2017	#72
No...just no.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#191
if you are in her district you are welcome to run against her	Fresh_Start	Jun 2017	#75
I strongly disagree with your analysis	Gothmog	Jun 2017	#78
They don't have Hillary to kick around anymore	Motley13	Jun 2017	#80
Oh, puh-leeze! Stop it! Earlier it was Perez. Who's it going to be next week? Franken? Booker?	NurseJackie	Jun 2017	#82
Ladies first	Hekate	Jun 2017	#231
I agree; lifetime tenure only works for failed states	BeyondGeography	Jun 2017	#83
She needs to stay where she is...she is effective...one of the greatest speakers ever...and we don't	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#195
Yeah, that's it	BeyondGeography	Jun 2017	#197
Agreed, I'd like to see someone who doesn't talk above the general public's heads.	vkkv	Jun 2017	#85
I like smart people. And she is talking to Democrats...when will you figure out that the hard right	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#196
Uh...bots are still out there.	nikibatts	Jun 2017	#87
Almost 90 replies and 1 rec... I guess that sums up the validity of that idea. LOL	JoeStuckInOH	Jun 2017	#88
no thanks, I will stick with Pelosi.	sheshe2	Jun 2017	#91
Pelosi has probably raised more $$$ for Dems than	HeartachesNhangovers	Jun 2017	#92
This message was self-deleted by its author	George II	Jun 2017	#94
By your own argument...	NCTraveler	Jun 2017	#95
What would you have your leader do differently?	George II	Jun 2017	#96
I don't think her Constituents give a crap what you think .	stonecutter357	Jun 2017	#97
And thank God for that. She's the best there is. nt	Hekate	Jun 2017	#127
+1000.	stonecutter357	Jun 2017	#131
You are not wrong.	Joe941	Jun 2017	#98
Yes he is	shenmue	Jun 2017	#208
Because a new face is working so well for us.	pirateshipdude	Jun 2017	#101
Why blame Pelosi? Blame the dems that do not get up off their butts and	mfcorey1	Jun 2017	#103
Sorry, but can't agree with you there.	47of74	Jun 2017	#104
i agree with you 100% Getting rid of Nancy ? NEVER, she is a Strong Woman Dem.We need more like her	trueblue2007	Jun 2017	#113
she may be strong but shes ineffectual	rdking647	Jun 2017	#150
You know Zero about her if you say that. She's holding the entire Dem caucus together ...	Hekate	Jun 2017	#171
She has been very effective...she doesn't run elections...no one could have held her party as she	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#198
oh yeah, prove it. GIVE US SOME FACT .... not just your opinion.	trueblue2007	Jun 2017	#234
I am SO TIRED of your diatribe. Can't you say anything other than WHAT HAS SHE DONE RECENTLY	trueblue2007	Jun 2017	#244
Fuck that noise	Hekate	Jun 2017	#105
"What do 'they' have to show for it?" Not "we"? Whose side are you on? n/t	pnwmom	Jun 2017	#110
What do they have to show for it? Really?	athena	Jun 2017	#114
Thank you, Athena	Hekate	Jun 2017	#120
Nancy Pelosi had no hand in that...the so called Greens and alt-left elected Trump.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#201
"Impeachment is off the table," she said	frogmarch	Jun 2017	#115
We need to turn over the entire Democratic Leadership in the House.	Blue_true	Jun 2017	#118
I'll take any of them	rdking647	Jun 2017	#124
She is part of the democratic establishment	rdking647	Jun 2017	#128
Well it took you sometime but you're doing a fine job repeating the usual RW talking points.	JHan	Jun 2017	#167
I love Nancy Pelosi, but she is becoming more and more out of step.	Blue_true	Jun 2017	#130
I don't believe you love Nancy...and this seems a coordinated attack...hmm.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#240
Her work against Bush was extraordinary as her helping President Obama for his first two year in	Blue_true	Jun 2017	#241
She has been very effective which is why the Repugs have not passed a single	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#258
Term limits are set by the US Constitution. You are capable of primarying anybody at any time...	Hekate	Jun 2017	#125
If one wins a seat in congress one can vote for the leaders	delisen	Jun 2017	#135
Schiff and Moulten seem clear headed and logical.	Blue_true	Jun 2017	#146
No we don't. Not when we have no power...that is foolish... do you want Trump to get everything he	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#202
I mentioned fighters. I don't think we give up anything. nt	Blue_true	Jun 2017	#228
the people you mentioned don't have the ability or the experience that Nancy has...and	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#239
So anyone who is targeted by the GOP should go away? No. Nancy should STAND HER GROUND	dalton99a	Jun 2017	#123
I don't see how Pelosi is the problem.	alarimer	Jun 2017	#126
except voters dont ignore it	rdking647	Jun 2017	#157
Because they are stupid.	alarimer	Jun 2017	#189
calling your voters stupid is not the way to win elections....	rdking647	Jun 2017	#192
Republican voters a big who cares...why would we worry about minority leadership...	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#203
She needs to go.	Lunabell	Jun 2017	#129
What is she bad at, as a leader elected by her peers?	delisen	Jun 2017	#136
She is a leader of the democratic establishmeny	rdking647	Jun 2017	#140
So She Did All That All By Her Little Lonesome?	Me.	Jun 2017	#144
when the company is failing you clean house starting at the top	rdking647	Jun 2017	#145
Schumer?	Me.	Jun 2017	#152
i have no problem tossing ALL of them out	rdking647	Jun 2017	#156
She 's Not The Top Of The Heap	Me.	Jun 2017	#163
The minority leader of the House is responsible for the Senate?	yardwork	Jun 2017	#215
Well, it's true	Turbineguy	Jun 2017	#138
Lol. No.	La Lioness Priyanka	Jun 2017	#141
Nope	romana	Jun 2017	#151
i dont care if shes a woman or a man	rdking647	Jun 2017	#154
You're right. I	zentrum	Jun 2017	#153
you better watch it	rdking647	Jun 2017	#155
Gee I can't imagine really.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#204
Kamala Harris and	zentrum	Jun 2017	#223
Well, maybe not 'go away' but	janterry	Jun 2017	#164
I hate to agree	get the red out	Jun 2017	#165
How is SHE hurting the party? SHE delivered the votes!	gateley	Jun 2017	#166
she delivered the votes and the voters didnt show up are a contradiction	rdking647	Jun 2017	#183
There was a divisive primay and a tough election ... some who are alt-left /Greens whatever	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#209
What, you don't have Hillary to kick around anymore?	leftofcool	Jun 2017	#168
she should have never been the nominee	rdking647	Jun 2017	#185
The primary is over.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#211
So Tom Perez gets a pass?	GeorgeGist	Jun 2017	#170
perez has been DNC chairman for 4 months	rdking647	Jun 2017	#186
No, it's not	MrScorpio	Jun 2017	#172
I don't think it's time for anyone to go away...	kentuck	Jun 2017	#173
Maybe we can find some anti-abortion Blue Dog, huh? 'Cuz the GOP would just LOVE them!	hatrack	Jun 2017	#174
Again???	tazkcmo	Jun 2017	#176
And can we make Republicans pinkie-swear not to demonize her replacement?? Nt	Bleacher Creature	Jun 2017	#179
Repukes fear Nancy and name me another democratic leader	pbmus	Jun 2017	#180
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2017	#184
She is very effective in Congress which is her job.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#212
bullshit.	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2017	#182
it appears im not the only one calling for her ouster	rdking647	Jun 2017	#194
Even Cher is!!	m-lekktor	Jun 2017	#199
And it won't happen.	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#213
197 replies and 10 recs, lol	BootinUp	Jun 2017	#200
Knock it off with this shit	shenmue	Jun 2017	#205
I've been away from news. Did Pelosi do something today? Why this thread?	Mrs. Overall	Jun 2017	#210
People still re-fighting the you know.. what who are after what they perceive to be 'establishment'	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#216
Ok, got it.	Mrs. Overall	Jun 2017	#218
I know it...any excuse will do...	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#225
No, it isn't	blogslut	Jun 2017	#214
Maxine waters	fallout87	Jun 2017	#219
Maxine's no back stabber. She wouldn't consider challenging Nancy. nt	oasis	Jun 2017	#248
I was disappointed when she was re-elected to minority leader.	Equinox Moon	Jun 2017	#220
I was relieved...she can help with the battle with Trump...Ryan comes from a purple state...	Demsrule86	Jun 2017	#222
you should go away	mshasta	Jun 2017	#224
"shes become a target (right or wrong) for GOP attacks"	Takket	Jun 2017	#232
CNN: Some House Democrats says it's time for Pelosi to go, inclu MISOGYNIST Dem Rep. KATHLEEN RICE !	vkkv	Jun 2017	#233
I have to disagree and we are not supposed to defame Dems on this board.	bresue	Jun 2017	#235
"We're capitalists, and that's just the way it is." -Nancy Pelosi	Fait Accompli	Jun 2017	#236
I don't blame her for the loss & I disagree with Tim Ryan,	ecstatic	Jun 2017	#237
We'd be a lot worse off without her. And, I keep seeing	Lil Missy	Jun 2017	#245
NOPE.	ellie	Jun 2017	#246
No. Absolutely not. I will not subscribe to or follow along any RW narrative.	AgadorSparticus	Jun 2017	#247
no it's not. n/t	Blaukraut	Jun 2017	#250
What's with all the anti-Pelosi sentiment lately?	Beartracks	Jun 2017	#251
Show me sanother member of the House Dems who could come close to being as good a speaker as	napi21	Jun 2017	#252
Do you knpw	tazmaniac	Jun 2017	#253
The GOP tied Ossoff to Bernie too	BainsBane	Jun 2017	#254
Right wing racist fools go mad trying to attack her. They should all shut the #### up.	Judi Lynn	Jun 2017	#255
FYI - Ellison wholeheartedly endorsed NP to remain as House Minority Leader/future Speaker.	bullwinkle428	Jun 2017	#256
I don't think Pelosi is the problem right now	mvd	Jun 2017	#257

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