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zeemike

(18,998 posts)
23. Well intellectually you are right...Ike was a pretty good president actually.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:40 PM
Jul 2012

But facts have nothing to do with it..it is the narrative that counts...and they can and do control it....they would do just what they do now...repeat over and over that he lacks experience...that the MSM would then take that ball and run with it until all the doubts were disseminated to the public.
Just like it did not matter that he demolished Bush in the debate...it only mattered how it was framed and talked about.

Just look at how many slip ups Bush made...but they framed it as if it was no big deal because that was just the way he was.
But they pounce on the least little thing Obama says...and keep pounding away at it.
The democrats don't do that because it is unfair clearly...but the right has no such qualms about doing it...and so they win the war of words by embracing the concept of the end justifying the means...and should we dare do the same to them turning it right back on us and accusing us of being unfair and deceptive.

Just as they use the CT charge if you ever question their cheating...it disables our offensive while they are on the offensive all the time and can steal elections right and left and no one will dare say anything for fear of the ridicule that they will get from both sides...and we fall for it.
The answer I am afraid is aggression...we need leaders that will go after things and not be intimidated by their shit...and not fooled by their misdirection and manipulation....and more importantly not be afraid of speaking the truth openly and often.

I look forward to reading your book! emsimon33 Jul 2012 #1
k&r rhett o rick Jul 2012 #2
. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #3
You say the same thing about every one of my posts Time for change Jul 2012 #4
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #5
Who the fuck are you? rfranklin Jul 2012 #6
Troll paste Rex Jul 2012 #37
k and r (and holy crap) nashville_brook Jul 2012 #7
I don't fully understand what was going on Time for change Jul 2012 #15
k & r AzDar Jul 2012 #8
some links and video for your research. Ellipsis Jul 2012 #9
Thanks. Yeah, Triad had a plan to obstruct the recount, and they Time for change Jul 2012 #17
From Daily Kos Dec. 15th 2004 Ellipsis Jul 2012 #10
Sherole Eaton's testimony shed a lot of light on what went on in Ohio in 2004 Time for change Jul 2012 #11
And that is the beauty of electronic voting zeemike Jul 2012 #12
I don't believe that about Kerry Time for change Jul 2012 #18
Well you might be right....but I am a cynical bastard. zeemike Jul 2012 #19
Edwards and Clark were my first choices Time for change Jul 2012 #20
It all boils down to controlling that narrative. zeemike Jul 2012 #21
I surely agree with what you say about psychopaths Time for change Jul 2012 #22
Well intellectually you are right...Ike was a pretty good president actually. zeemike Jul 2012 #23
What you're saying is that the corporate media will go after the liberal candidate with everying Time for change Jul 2012 #25
Well again my cynicism kicks in zeemike Jul 2012 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Jul 2012 #31
Post script to the above. zeemike Jul 2012 #34
Sometimes you just get this uneasy feeling, the last interview Kerry gave on election day... slipslidingaway Jul 2012 #29
If you find it post a link. zeemike Jul 2012 #30
Tried looking again but not coming up with the video ... slipslidingaway Jul 2012 #32
I tend to trust my feelings on things like that. zeemike Jul 2012 #33
Me too and ... slipslidingaway Jul 2012 #36
post hand counted ballots totals at each precinct, get independent list of them and voila msongs Jul 2012 #13
It doesn't seem to me that it should be so difficult Time for change Jul 2012 #14
Kentucky is a GREAT example of this bob4460 Jul 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Jul 2012 #24
Rove mentioning the 2004 election in the WH Holiday video ... slipslidingaway Jul 2012 #26
Punch card vote switching evidenced in Cuyahoga County Coyotl Jul 2012 #28
I cringe when I see your posts on this subject. hay rick Jul 2012 #35
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