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In reply to the discussion: If Trump ordered a nuclear missile attack on North Korea would the military carry it out? [View all]DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)135. Thank you for your kind response.
I merely asked a question. I learned a lot in this thread. It's hard to shake one's opinion, including my own.
I don't understand why some posters made it personal. Maybe it's a character flaw but my first response is to respond in kind.
One of the most profound things I "learned" on the internet is "there are real people behind the keyboards." That was revealed to me by a thirteen year old young man on a ESPN discussion board after another poster tore into him.
Thank you again for your kind response.
DSB
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If Trump ordered a nuclear missile attack on North Korea would the military carry it out? [View all]
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
OP
I would tell you what you can do with your ad hominem attack but I don't want a hide.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#13
I know what a rhetorical question, an ad hominem attack, and a pedant is.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#29
I pretend people who disagree with me do so because they have no idea as well.
LanternWaste
May 2017
#123
The military would not be in the position of determining if THIS PARTICULAR ORDER was unlawful. It
WinkyDink
May 2017
#12
When was the last time some civilian authority decided a politician's military order was unlawful?
yurbud
May 2017
#132
Then why did Defense Secretary Schlesinger and Secretary Of State Kissinger place ...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#32
Your question did not ask, "IF the SoD and the SoS put limitations......" In any case, they acted
WinkyDink
May 2017
#54
I gave my audience the respect of believing they were capable of drawing logical inferences...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#64
Really? Because, as you've learned, your implications are insufficient for intelligent inferences.
WinkyDink
May 2017
#67
The verbal portion of the SAT and GRE must have been really hard on some people.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#78
:-) I used to begin the year with asking the students if they could figure out this bit of OE:
WinkyDink
May 2017
#100
It is profoundly saddening you would join in insulting someone who has been unfailingly civil to you
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#128
I wish I knew. My fear is that too many Americans either don't care or don't truly understand
Coventina
May 2017
#138
In normal times most folks don't think about politics. They just get on with their lives.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#139
Agreed. And, I don't think most folk have grasped just how bad the situation is.
Coventina
May 2017
#140
This would make a great subject for an OP! You buried the lede in the comments though.
bettyellen
May 2017
#142
If we are going to get there we might as well get there soon thus leaving more time to repair...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#49
I understand all these caveats and that theoretically the president's powers in this area is ...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#61
The President's abso;ute power here is not theoretical; it is, in fact, ABSOLUTE. IT'S A SIMPLE
WinkyDink
May 2017
#68
The entire military structure, and ESPECIALLY the nuclear aspect, is built around NOT questioning.
Coventina
May 2017
#70
Yes, but there are still pre-set attack plans which the president calls like football plays
jberryhill
May 2017
#160
Yes. It is what they are trained to do. Would you prefer the military question the order, while
WinkyDink
May 2017
#9
Nice strawman. The assertion embodied in my question is the attack is out of the blue.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#52
I think that's possible as a deflection, because we are not dealing with a sane individual. n/t
RKP5637
May 2017
#30
Exactly. This isn't some Tom Cruise movie we're living in. Don't kid yourself! Correct code? LAUNCH.
WinkyDink
May 2017
#14
I was told they would follow the orders because the system was designed for "speed and accuracy."
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#17
You don't think they would make an exception considering the fact that Trump is clearly a madman?
smirkymonkey
May 2017
#26
Who would discuss this before he entered the codes? Could he be just alone one night and
RKP5637
May 2017
#35
My gut feeling, right or wrong, is this is just going to get more deranged relative to him
RKP5637
May 2017
#55
It would be up to Trump's inner circle to dissuade him from issuing the launch codes.
Coventina
May 2017
#47
"I am being told..." by whom? The deliberations are within the OO. "Out of the blue" is NOT FOR THE
WinkyDink
May 2017
#36
I was told in Post 15 there would be deliberations pursuant to the order.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#39
You misread. The word used is "before," not the term "pursuant to." As in, the POTUS and advisors
WinkyDink
May 2017
#41
The assertion embodied in my question it the attack is out of the blue.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#45
Yes, if the launch code targeting any of those countries were issued, it would be done.
Coventina
May 2017
#48
OMG. It wouldn't be "out of the blue" TO THE POTUS, FGS!! HE COULD DELIBERATE. Are you being
WinkyDink
May 2017
#65
I think the post-soviet-collapse euphoria may have obscured some realities.
AtheistCrusader
May 2017
#118
My husband served 22 years in the AF and is now a GS 12 at Hanscom, so kinda?
Blaukraut
May 2017
#43
Do you think he ever once seriously considered disobeying an order? For one single second?
WinkyDink
May 2017
#92
I have friends that are career military and career military spouses.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#107
He had four children who served in the military. Three became officers.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#117
PLEASE STAY WITH THE OP'S QUERY!! Nuremburg dealt with your post. Enough said.
WinkyDink
May 2017
#93
Most likely, yes. The people who would launch the missiles are sanitized from the decision making
berni_mccoy
May 2017
#22
No. People in the military aren't robots. The order would be stopped before it got to the silo
yurbud
May 2017
#27
Really? That would be "NO." Would YOU like to be the General who oversaw destruction because you
WinkyDink
May 2017
#40
That is not in the military's purview. I'm referring solely to the OP's query.
WinkyDink
May 2017
#86
I have known a fair number of military people including a couple of launch officers
yurbud
May 2017
#129
how would someone in the military not know that pretty quickly? Also, North Korea knows once they
yurbud
May 2017
#127
Well, for one thing, they can ask why he is still not impeached. See how that works?
WinkyDink
May 2017
#89
Okay, I've about had it. THE POWER OF THE PRESIDENT IN NUCLEAR LAUNCHES IS ABSOLUTE. READ ON:
WinkyDink
May 2017
#77
We elected Bush II, who set the 'no first use' idea aside for even terror attacks.
AtheistCrusader
May 2017
#121
Yes right after he and the republicans pass single payer health care for all Americans,
workinclasszero
May 2017
#134
"We" would likely still be around. But we would be living in an anarchic world.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#152
We don't know how Russia and China would react to inbound nukes in their neck of the woods
jberryhill
May 2017
#153
I always try to find something human, even in my enemies/opponents.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#156
If nuclear weapons were used in N. Korea they would be tactical not strategic.
former9thward
May 2017
#158