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Hekate

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44. That's the central flaw in classic Marxist philosophy. "Identity" doesn't disappear...

Mon Apr 24, 2017, 11:43 PM

Apr 2017

Half the population will still be female, and will still need a full spectrum of health care specialized to our needs or women will die.

X% of the population will still be infants and children, and women will still overwhelmingly be responsible for their every need, from food to education to medical care -- and this will impact every day and every year of their paid working lives.

X% of the population will stll be "minorities" and visibly so, and they will still struggle for a full place in education, society, and the workplace even if the minimum wage is $15 an hour.

It goes on. And on.

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"Once you get off of the social issues abortion, gay rights, guns and into the economic issues," [View all] ehrnst Apr 2017 OP

Sorry, human rights are non-negotiable shenmue Apr 2017 #1

the pyramid of needs. kentuck Apr 2017 #2

where is mercuryblues Apr 2017 #4

Physiological needs. Kber Apr 2017 #11

Bingo Hekate Apr 2017 #33

Women, LGBTQs and people of color ehrnst Apr 2017 #17

He didn't say "white" working class. He's talking about working and middle class. Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #31

I disagree. Caliman73 Apr 2017 #39

I disagree. Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #52

So let's push those women and minorities who happen to be at the top of the pyramid athena Apr 2017 #24

We're actually the ones whose base of the pyramid needs are being sacrificed so that Vesper Apr 2017 #26

Bodily integrity falls within physiological and safety needs, Mello attacks those. Vesper Apr 2017 #25

Excellent point. athena Apr 2017 #27

Even worse, what this right winger has proposed is a 20 week abortion ban. Vesper Apr 2017 #32

Hahahahahaha! kcr Apr 2017 #69

He summed up... NCTraveler Apr 2017 #3

In other words ehrnst Apr 2017 #10

I think one of the things I'm trying to say... NCTraveler Apr 2017 #14

Refusing to join the party, but wanting to run its platform is BS. ehrnst Apr 2017 #18

Very well said. Your last paragraph is spot on. Hekate Apr 2017 #41

BS is now BS to me. 58Sunliner Apr 2017 #64

LOL Skittles Apr 2017 #5

+1 n/t jaysunb Apr 2017 #6

Bingo. (NT) ehrnst Apr 2017 #7

Nicely put! Orrex Apr 2017 #80

Why anyone thinks this clumsy, outdated message -- touted by someone who isn't even a Democrat -- RedWedge Apr 2017 #8

It's going to BackFire Cha Apr 2017 #56

I hope that will happen soon kcr Apr 2017 #66

Because the M$M is invested in the Controversary.. Cha Apr 2017 #73

OK, here's what I think he's getting at. ananda Apr 2017 #9

you cannot avoid it, prejudice shapes how resources are shared. JHan Apr 2017 #12

Hear, hear ehrnst Apr 2017 #16

Except my African American step dad still gets stopped in my mostly white town Kber Apr 2017 #13

Yah, you'd think that when people have money, the social issues would have fallen into place.(nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #19

That's the central flaw in classic Marxist philosophy. "Identity" doesn't disappear... Hekate Apr 2017 #44

Right? And no matter how affluent you are as a PoC, you get "the conversation" as a kid. JHan Apr 2017 #37

"... then the social issues also fall into place." ehrnst Apr 2017 #15

"Trickle down social justice" is a wonderfully accurate phrase. Hekate Apr 2017 #45

+1 betsuni Apr 2017 #54

It's "trickle-down economics", too. athena Apr 2017 #55

Like wealthy republicans who have gay hate? Think all women belong at home lunasun Apr 2017 #34

That's a great utopia, but these hates have always been there Vesper Apr 2017 #43

How do economic stresses cause homophobia? yardwork Apr 2017 #46

He has made that claim before, only more elegantly. kcr Apr 2017 #51

If you have to read between the lines then what good is his word? Making assumptions 58Sunliner Apr 2017 #63

He has been saying this same exact thing since 1968. boston bean Apr 2017 #20

Maybe it will Cha Apr 2017 #57

I'd say this was unbelievable NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #21

Interesting fact--Northern Ireland is covered by the NHS Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #22

excellent point ++++++++ JHan Apr 2017 #38

This is incredibly offensive. athena Apr 2017 #23

He's not saying give up those issues. He's talking about focus. Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #28

So we need to focus on medicare and social security and basic economics Vesper Apr 2017 #40

So we need to focus on medicare and social security and basic economics Vesper Apr 2017 #42

Focusing on economic issues is not any more narrow than focusing on social issues. Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #50

Prejudice shapes how resources are distributed JHan Apr 2017 #53

You can't legislate against prejudice. Laws address discrimination already. Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #61

Yeah everything is "done" JHan Apr 2017 #65

We'll have to agree to disagree. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #76

The social issues are not separable from the economic issues. Vesper Apr 2017 #67

We WERE focused on economic issues, along with equity issues. That's why 75% of blue collar workers pnwmom Apr 2017 #68

The daily two minutes hate. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #29

Talk to BS.. it's his quote. Cha Apr 2017 #36

I'm glad context isn't a thing anymore. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #72

Ridiculous. Go back and read Bernie's very own words. Forget the campaign: the man has been... Hekate Apr 2017 #48

15 minimum wage laws only target white men who lost manufacturing jobs? killbotfactory Apr 2017 #70

Then you should be pleased to know that 75% of blue collar workers supported Hillary and the Dems. pnwmom Apr 2017 #71

If only anybody knew the electoral college existed. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #75

The electoral college didn't overturn the popular vote a SINGLE time in the entire 20th century. pnwmom Apr 2017 #77

The man has lived in Vermont for the past 50 years and has been in office for 35 years... GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #30

Pesky Human Rights.. FTS! Cha Apr 2017 #35

After reading the posts, it is very clear that many people have no idea what cost HRC the election. tonyt53 Apr 2017 #47

In nearly every swing state, voters preferred Hillary Clinton on the economy. betsuni Apr 2017 #49

" most are new to the Democratic Party and do not understand that the Party will always protect 58Sunliner Apr 2017 #59

The majority of people whose biggest concern was the economy voted for HRC. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #62

Well, you're one of those who doesn't understand. pnwmom Apr 2017 #74

Yeah, when you can't get a job because you are black, can't work outside the home because nikibatts Apr 2017 #78

Why should BS "captain the Democratic Ship"..anyway? Cha Apr 2017 #58

Jesus. LexVegas Apr 2017 #60

Those issues are REPUBLICAN issues JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #79