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88. Pragmatism Is Not Really the Issue

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:52 PM

Apr 2017

The most important issue is when the embryo or fetus becomes a human being. Once it becomes a human being, none of these other issues matter morally.

Now, if you want to talk politics, there's plenty of political capital to be made. Just get angy -- the contents don't matter very much.

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I've been told my equal rights just aren't pragmatic [View all] BainsBane Apr 2017 OP

Amazing how some "progressives" are saying that we need to be practical about social justice... hrmjustin Apr 2017 #1

correction BainsBane Apr 2017 #3

Very true. I think sometimes some of these purity progressives are just not what they claim to be. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #4

"There is no economic justice without equal rights." NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #24

TOTALLY. calimary Apr 2017 #109

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #23

Sounds Like Krystal Ball Talking On Joy Reid Today Me. Apr 2017 #28

It's All About the Money dlk Apr 2017 #2

White dudes have it so bad in America. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #5

It seems easy MontanaMama Apr 2017 #6

Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness-it's for everyone delisen Apr 2017 #7

I like the way you said it! BigOleDummy Apr 2017 #40

Damn straight. warmfeet Apr 2017 #85

Women, people of color, gay folks, immigrants - we're inconvenient. yardwork Apr 2017 #8

Amen shenmue Apr 2017 #36

Yes we are the inconvenient truth of Human Rights and Equality delisen Apr 2017 #50

Democrats can always evolve. And that's a good thing!! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2017 #115

Lord, I feel like I'm back in the 70's wryter2000 Apr 2017 #9

that says something. boston bean Apr 2017 #38

women's rights have ALWAYS had to take a back seat to everything and everyone else under niyad Apr 2017 #56

Very true. One would think we could find allies in the Black and GLBTQ communities BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #79

Many in AA communities - BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #100

Yay!! Thank you!!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #123

All too true! BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #124

And unfortunately, "progressives" can be the worst. Laffy Kat Apr 2017 #76

They can sure be holier than thou wryter2000 Apr 2017 #112

YUP. I remember that, too. Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #86

Fuck that! smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #10

Women's Rights Are Also An Economic REality Me. Apr 2017 #29

Yes shenmue Apr 2017 #37

Equal rights are always right.. ananda Apr 2017 #11

Can't believe they're still pushing the idea that women and people of color are just incidental. Squinch Apr 2017 #12

2017 sheshe2 Apr 2017 #43

It feels like we had climbed the branches and had the apple in our hands, and now we've fallen Squinch Apr 2017 #44

Yes. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #48

It is the "Myth of Sisyphus" BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #102

Yup... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #113

Just trying to understand if your OP was genuine... I may have been mistaken. JudyM Apr 2017 #65

Howard Dean was on Joy Reid's* show this morning discussing this, and the R B Garr Apr 2017 #13

This is why I have always BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #27

I wish he'd go back to the DNC. Squinch Apr 2017 #46

I am very sorry that he was BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #98

I agree with all of this. On the bright side, I do think that people are getting energized Squinch Apr 2017 #99

I see that as a heartening trend BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #101

Krystal Ball Also Needs To Get Her Head Together On This Me. Apr 2017 #31

Thank you to Joy Reid and Howard Dean. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #45

You know, when word first came out about Hillary's server, I wished that Kahuna7 Apr 2017 #53

Well, it isn't economics for a "certain segment," unless that segment is 99 percent of americans. JCanete Apr 2017 #59

Planned Parenthood does NOT support Mello BainsBane Apr 2017 #68

what? When talking about economics, women are not being excluded. By increasing JCanete Apr 2017 #74

PP of Nebraska did not give Mello a 100% rating BainsBane Apr 2017 #75

I have it on th DVR BainsBane Apr 2017 #66

K & f'ing R! mcar Apr 2017 #14

This is what happens when individuals become more important than the party. JHan Apr 2017 #15

Precisely What Dr. Dean Said Me. Apr 2017 #33

Amen to that! Lonestarblue Apr 2017 #34

When Asked If They'd Be Registering Voters Me. Apr 2017 #35

Great post. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #16

Here's five dollars betting that retrowire Apr 2017 #17

Because no one on the left has been pushing this idea? Lol. Squinch Apr 2017 #47

Are you sure it's the left or is it people on the internet? retrowire Apr 2017 #49

Do you read the newspapers? Have you heard about this prominent leader on the left who is pushing Squinch Apr 2017 #52

What prominent leader of the left? retrowire Apr 2017 #61

I was just told that "money makes the world go around" when I made the same case. boston bean Apr 2017 #18

Grow up. Take one for the team. Stop complaining. randome Apr 2017 #19

Who told you that? KPN Apr 2017 #20

I read it. BainsBane Apr 2017 #70

I think you provided the wrong link Martin Eden Apr 2017 #107

Read again BainsBane Apr 2017 #119

I don't see that in Bernie's quote at all Martin Eden Apr 2017 #128

Thanks. That sounds like a quote from Bernie without question. KPN Apr 2017 #114

Bernie is pro-choice BainsBane Apr 2017 #116

I understand and appreciate your views. KPN Apr 2017 #122

Bain, I am so upset at this. What part of WOMEN'S MARCH did they fail to understand?! Hekate Apr 2017 #21

Maybe the success of the march was intimidating to some. delisen Apr 2017 #60

There is nothing at all "progressive" about abandoning the rights of more than half the country. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #22

Did you see Krystal Ball (what an egocentric choice of names, BTW) on AM Joy this morning? George II Apr 2017 #25

If I may ask the original poster... Jolly Sapper Apr 2017 #26

Trying to prioritize rights seems futile. Lonestarblue Apr 2017 #30

Not to back us is unconscionable. We are not chips to be gambled with. nolabear Apr 2017 #32

Excellent post. Kath2 Apr 2017 #39

Bravo and well said! nt comradebillyboy Apr 2017 #41

LGBT people here were told that for years, QC Apr 2017 #42

Not by me. BainsBane Apr 2017 #72

BINGO! I'm having it out on twitter about what saying Kahuna7 Apr 2017 #51

I agree BainsBane Apr 2017 #78

k and r. I have been appalled by that thinking coming out of what are supposedly "progressive" niyad Apr 2017 #54

I routinely see POC insulted on twitter when they run out of their Kahuna7 Apr 2017 #55

I am not on social media, but absolutely disgusted by some of the stuff that is reported here niyad Apr 2017 #57

Anyone who believes such a thing MUST BE DRUMMED OUT of our party! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #58

Right on, as usual! Kath2 Apr 2017 #62

Thank you! Keep fighting! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #67

I will! Kath2 Apr 2017 #69

Yes! BainsBane Apr 2017 #71

AMEN!!!!!!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #77

+ a million or so! eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #103

As the father of two daughters, I agree with the OP Gothmog Apr 2017 #63

We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Schumer et al have the wrong delisen Apr 2017 #64

k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #73

Run for office IronLionZion Apr 2017 #80

I'm flattered you would suggest it BainsBane Apr 2017 #84

Mello words on reproductive rights. zentrum Apr 2017 #81

Would he have made that statement if he weren't "under fire"? athena Apr 2017 #87

The words .. zentrum Apr 2017 #92

If our rights are not in jeopardy, then why is the head of NARAL so outraged? athena Apr 2017 #96

I admire your tenacity. Thank you. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #108

Women, POC, and the LBGT community have been told that before...repeatedly. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #82

I'm with you. BainsBane Apr 2017 #91

One hundred and fifty years Progressive dog Apr 2017 #83

Pragmatism Is Not Really the Issue On the Road Apr 2017 #88

The woman is already a human being. athena Apr 2017 #89

Thank you for this, BainsBane! Cha Apr 2017 #90

Which equal rights are those? Lithos Apr 2017 #93

More here BainsBane Apr 2017 #95

The sooner you wimmin accept your status as chattel... Orrex Apr 2017 #94

Just call me Offred. Squinch Apr 2017 #104

Time for all women to form our own powerful lexington filly Apr 2017 #97

Neither is democracy. As Shrub would intone, a dictatorship is a lot simpler. no_hypocrisy Apr 2017 #105

K&R BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #106

THANK YOU, BainsBane! calimary Apr 2017 #110

Or why anger at corporations is a litmus test BainsBane Apr 2017 #111

K&R!! musette_sf Apr 2017 #117

I was told that my concerns for peace and economic equality weren't pragmatic. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #118

How do you suppose economic justice is achieved BainsBane Apr 2017 #120

Your personal attack on me is total bullshit. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #127

It is a valid argument. No progress can be made on any issue KPN Apr 2017 #121

K&R Jamaal510 Apr 2017 #125

Maybe I heard the message wrong, cheapdate Apr 2017 #126