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In reply to the discussion: It would be nice if the far left, for once, did some introspection. [View all]bekkilyn
(454 posts)224. Agreed, but why keep giving power and attention to her?
the problem with the OP was that it was referencing "far left" and people didn't know what was meant by that and assumed all sorts of different things, whereas if it had just referenced Green/Stein from the beginning, it would have been clear to everyone.
If Stein is pro-45, just treat her as another faction of the GOP and move on. Just because people say they are progressive or left doesn't mean they are in actuality.
I personally don't know what she (or the Greens) stands for as I don't even give her a second thought except when people here bring her up as some object of vitriol.
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Yes, no one likes people who lecture, constantly complain, and are constantly dissatisfied.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#1
It's an issue. People have been trying to blow it off or treat it like a joke for too fucking long.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#35
Why are you wasting time obsessing over what the people at counterpunch think?
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#178
Probably the same reason you obsess over weed laws that you can't do anything to change.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#180
I have. The East Coast is not for me, although I know plenty of people who thrive on it.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#296
That's because there isn't a real war on those issues. but there is on abortion rights
JI7
Apr 2017
#23
You need to be more specific with these elaborate straw creatures you are constructing
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#27
"big weed" is a bs term kevin sabet came up with to rebrand failed prohibition arguments.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#322
Sure, as long as you are not including folks like Keith Ellison in your description of the Far Left
Tom Rinaldo
Apr 2017
#6
during obama's yrs the party did little locally, regionally, or state legislatures and got clobbered
msongs
Apr 2017
#7
I think if people agree with the GOP platform at all, there's a problem.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#42
I, too, am strongly of the opinion that Bernie Sanders caused HRC to be a better candidate.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#368
Of course she had flaws. But she was more progressive than Obama, Kerry, Gore, or Bill.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#92
Hillary was not more progressive than Obama, her immediate predecessor as nominee
karynnj
Apr 2017
#261
Everything Nance wrote is factually correct. There are no alternative facts there. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2017
#109
these types have always been out there. it's more like a cool kids club than actual political
JI7
Apr 2017
#318
And meanwhile, the clueless far left will still accomplish nothing. Seriously, wake up.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#61
As long as you don't name one accomplishment of the far left, you prove my point.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#66
MA is a progressive state which was the first to legalize gay marriage. We voted for Hillary. n/t
seaglass
Apr 2017
#147
And it is easy to dupe them with fake news as the past election shows. All you have to do is
nikibatts
Apr 2017
#51
Losing centrists? You mean like the ones who turned around the massive losses
stevenleser
Apr 2017
#112
You could defeat the "wall of straw" by naming one thing the far left has accomplished.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#65
I vaguely remember last spring and summer how we were told here at DU and other
rpannier
Apr 2017
#67
No, but given the amout of energy some people put into the drama here
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#69
I was talking the last three or four decades. My lifetime. And the answer is nothing.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#79
Nope. The middle of the road hindered those efforts. Pressure from the left brought it home.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#94
I think you've created a "far left" straw creature for your own purposes, here.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#160
I never said anything about filibuster-proof. Filibuster-proof has NOTHING to do with my point.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#375
Show me hard facts, not just simplistic math, but actual proof that Nader voters
Exilednight
Apr 2017
#239
Math isn't "simplistic" just because you don't like what it implies. It's math.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#240
No, it's not a mathematical proof. Such things don't exist outside of mathematics.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#249
The political spectrum has existed for a long time. The far left is not a new phenomena.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#225
Nothing remotely "left" at all about people who would vote or not vote
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2017
#228
LOL yeah... American abolitionists and American Revolutionaries are middle of the road types...
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#254
Ah yes, history will always remember Franklin, Jefferson, and Madison as "middle of the road."
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#334
I am saying they were far left for their era, which is how one should gauge it.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#365
LOL! We aren't talking about seating arrangements in the French National assembly in 1789.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#384
I am taking this in the context of what is being discussed in this thread. I ask a third time:
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#386
You aren't making arguments, you are avoiding answering two pretty simple questions.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#391
Europe wasn't in the United States in the 1850s. It still isn't. I never mentioned Lincoln.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#393
There are many people here more interested in pointing fingers than fixing problems.
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#80
Bullshit. Some of us know the 3rd party progressive nonsense is going to REPEAT
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2017
#348
Good for Ralph on the seatbelts. But the damage he did in 2000 was hundreds of times worse.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#115
Oh come on! You can hit that horse harder than that. Put a little shoulder into it.
ornotna
Apr 2017
#104
The far left more consistently votes for the Democrats, so I don't get it.
Buckeye_Democrat
Apr 2017
#113
Bullshit! I sure don't talk to many people were delighted at the loss of the 2016 election.
Akamai
Apr 2017
#119
Stein and Sarandon are two sad people who are proud of their efforts to elect trump
Gothmog
Apr 2017
#401
The far left in the country doesn't have the same money at its disposal. The far left, those of it
JCanete
Apr 2017
#149
If we were smart we would lean left rather than right. Trying to be GOP lite is why we lose.
Vinca
Apr 2017
#150
The people to blame for the "both parties are the same" narrative are the idiots pushing it.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#186
There's no denying that they threw the 2000 election to W. That's an obvious fact.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#230
I view them as more of a symptom that a lot of people are dissatisfied with Dems
bekkilyn
Apr 2017
#234
Well I think they should be. Because I think that they could be a force for good instead of a force
DanTex
Apr 2017
#248
As if Trump is not enough of a reason? An outright racist? Really? And W before him?
DanTex
Apr 2017
#269
I see no point in a op like this one. Why rehash the past? Time to move forward.
Demsrule86
Apr 2017
#183
Couldn't disagree more. The Democrats have ONLY been successful when embracing liberalism.
Zen Democrat
Apr 2017
#184
Bill Clinton was popular, a great public speaker, and yet what did he accomplish for Dems?
Zen Democrat
May 2017
#427
I agree this has been a problem since McGovern....so I'm going back to the 70s.
Sancho
Apr 2017
#188
if you mean fall in line behind whatever gop lite the party is offering? nope
dembotoz
Apr 2017
#201
The point is that before telling the Dems what to do, the left should look in the mirror.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#209
Well, the Dems held the White House for eight years and enacted many historic reforms.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#356
Maybe instead of saying "far left" the OP should have just specified "Green" or "Nader/Stein"
bekkilyn
Apr 2017
#218
They keep doing it because it is easier to point fingers than to solve the underlying problems. nt
Gore1FL
Apr 2017
#227
It's not fair to imply that people on the left are gleeful that Trump is in.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#241
And we don't have many "far left" types on THIS board, so why are you calling them out here?
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#245
We don't have many Republicans on this board, but people call out the GOP here all the time.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#256
Actually, no, it wasn't. Obama had more charisma, but in terms of issues, 2016 was more progressive
DanTex
Apr 2017
#260
Of course the "far left" ignored it. The Greens had their own platform to run on. (nt)
PotatoChip
Apr 2017
#265
Yeah, I agree, she could have done many things better, including more resources in those states.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#272
Chris Hedges is a perfect example of the stupidity and impotence of the far left.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#335
Yes. That's what makes it so egregious that the far left helped bring this about.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#410
I don't think you've provided any evidence of that, outside of pointing to a handful of individuals
bigtree
Apr 2017
#413
then address those individuals and their individual agendas, statements, actions
bigtree
Apr 2017
#415
Jettison them, move a little to the right and pick up the win in the center.
Foamfollower
Apr 2017
#423