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215. This is very true.

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Mon Apr 17, 2017, 11:36 AM

Apr 2017

That's exactly what I was thinking when Dan used terms like 'losers' and 'clueless'.

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It would be nice if the far left, for once, did some introspection. [View all] DanTex Apr 2017 OP

Yes, no one likes people who lecture, constantly complain, and are constantly dissatisfied. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #1

Except when it comes to weed. Then we all love complainers... DanTex Apr 2017 #2

What? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #5

So you're satisfied with the weed laws in this country? News to me! DanTex Apr 2017 #8

I'm satisfied with the weed laws in my state. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #11

I guess that's why you've never complained about it before... DanTex Apr 2017 #15

Like I said Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #19

I don't think weed should be illegal, but the fact of the matter is... DanTex Apr 2017 #24

It's an issue. People have been trying to blow it off or treat it like a joke for too fucking long. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #35

I agree with a lot of that. I don't know why you treat me like an enemy. DanTex Apr 2017 #46

No.... I have no idea what Jeff Sessions has said on the matter. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #48

Google it. I'm surprised you don't know. Hmmm. DanTex Apr 2017 #50

That was sarcasm. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #59

An issue more important than weed? Gee, let's see. DanTex Apr 2017 #159

Okay, but these "far left" people you seem to think you're battling Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #162

Well, they claim to be committed to those issues. DanTex Apr 2017 #174

Why are you wasting time obsessing over what the people at counterpunch think? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #178

Probably the same reason you obsess over weed laws that you can't do anything to change. DanTex Apr 2017 #180

I think you allowed yourself to be distracted Hortensis Apr 2017 #242

Oh, the weed laws are changing. Believe me. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #281

Good to hear. Soon you will be in heaven then. DanTex Apr 2017 #286

I live in Oregon, I don't need "heaven". Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #287

LOL. Yeah, Manhattan. DanTex Apr 2017 #292

I have. The East Coast is not for me, although I know plenty of people who thrive on it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #296

Well, then maybe it's on me to visit Oregon. DanTex Apr 2017 #297

I do not smoke at all and really never have fun n serious Apr 2017 #143

That's because there isn't a real war on those issues. but there is on abortion rights JI7 Apr 2017 #23

You need to be more specific with these elaborate straw creatures you are constructing Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #27

you are the one who compared it to porn JI7 Apr 2017 #36

I also compared it to booze. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #40

Damn! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #39

"Dan" himself said we should do some introspection, too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #140

Oh my! :-D NurseJackie Apr 2017 #151

clever Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #154

I know. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #166

dont forget the helmet! Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #169

. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #173

There is no reason to stand in the way of Big Weed HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #231

"big weed" is a bs term kevin sabet came up with to rebrand failed prohibition arguments. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #322

.... Warpy Apr 2017 #4

So why does it persist? George II Apr 2017 #86

because energy cannot be created or destroyed? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #133

Glad you got that off your chest, Dan. pangaia Apr 2017 #3

Yeah, me too....Geez..n/t monmouth4 Apr 2017 #12

Sure, as long as you are not including folks like Keith Ellison in your description of the Far Left Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #6

I absolutely do not include folks like Keith Ellison. I admire him. DanTex Apr 2017 #10

Fifteen years ago both those publications were somewhat readable. LisaM Apr 2017 #285

during obama's yrs the party did little locally, regionally, or state legislatures and got clobbered msongs Apr 2017 #7

It would be nice if the far left pick the traitorous pig up by the Lint Head Apr 2017 #9

My introspection Cartoonist Apr 2017 #13

... opiate69 Apr 2017 #16

We nominated the most progressive candidate in decades. DanTex Apr 2017 #17

The platform was progressive, yes. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #22

Indeed, as was the candidate. And the candidate lost. DanTex Apr 2017 #26

it was a progressive platform! Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #30

I agree that people should read the Dem and GOP platform and compare them. DanTex Apr 2017 #34

I think if people agree with the GOP platform at all, there's a problem. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #42

Agreed, for sure. DanTex Apr 2017 #47

Bernie pushed her left. zentrum Apr 2017 #367

I, too, am strongly of the opinion that Bernie Sanders caused HRC to be a better candidate. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #368

Yeah, you and I need to zentrum Apr 2017 #371

Most progressive? Cartoonist Apr 2017 #89

Of course she had flaws. But she was more progressive than Obama, Kerry, Gore, or Bill. DanTex Apr 2017 #92

No one has President Obama's "charisma" but he most Cha Apr 2017 #137

How is Hillary more progressive than POTUS Obama? FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #161

Look at the campaign that she ran. DanTex Apr 2017 #165

I agree and also disagree FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #170

Hillary was not more progressive than Obama, her immediate predecessor as nominee karynnj Apr 2017 #261

As always, let's give all the credit to the male candidate. athena Apr 2017 #277

Bingo. n/t QC Apr 2017 #20

... SixString Apr 2017 #31

Exactly. (n/t) SMC22307 Apr 2017 #73

Yet another great fallacy ... NanceGreggs Apr 2017 #77

I disagree with your analysis. Cartoonist Apr 2017 #99

Everything Nance wrote is factually correct. There are no alternative facts there. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #109

Your disagreement ... NanceGreggs Apr 2017 #116

The wrong choice Cartoonist Apr 2017 #177

But alas if Bernie was nominee Bloomberg would of run Chevy Apr 2017 #379

Sanders lost to Hillary. That's a fact lunamagica Apr 2017 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author comradebillyboy Apr 2017 #131

Thank you Nance...nt comradebillyboy Apr 2017 #132

This is plain wrong: Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #196

Hmm.. Kentonio Apr 2017 #212

Sooooo NOT the point. NanceGreggs Apr 2017 #268

Not losing, stolen. nt William769 Apr 2017 #103

Hillary had the most Progressive Platform of any Democratic Cha Apr 2017 #121

Ah, Yes, the Ideologically Pure Dammit Jim Apr 2017 #156

Agree on both statements...and riversedge Apr 2017 #187

Thank You Muchly Dammit Jim Apr 2017 #194

Most definitely stein and sarandon own Cha Apr 2017 #288

Did Susan change her phone number? lapucelle Apr 2017 #404

No I had forgotten that pos Hypocrisy from sarandon.. Cha Apr 2017 #405

Couldn't have said it better. StubbornThings Apr 2017 #216

If YOU are satisfied, then you're not doing it right! dchill Apr 2017 #14

That depends what you are talking about LOL. DanTex Apr 2017 #18

there is no far left that wants socialism JI7 Apr 2017 #21

Can't dispute what you've seen, cheapdate Apr 2017 #38

reads jacobin and quotes Zizek forjusticethunders Apr 2017 #185

Those were just some illustrative examples. cheapdate Apr 2017 #264

My point is that "actual leftist socialists" are frauds too forjusticethunders Apr 2017 #311

Okay. You know my friends then? cheapdate Apr 2017 #313

these types have always been out there. it's more like a cool kids club than actual political JI7 Apr 2017 #318

I see. I'll bet I could guess your "type" too. cheapdate Apr 2017 #326

exactly, the lack of involvement in lower level office pretty much shows this JI7 Apr 2017 #319

Zizek is an idiot, but everybody should subscribe to Jacobin. DemocraticWing Apr 2017 #329

No argument there. cheapdate Apr 2017 #340

I want socialism! DemocraticWing Apr 2017 #328

Introspection is for others.. 3rd party voters are smugly Cha Apr 2017 #25

Hey Cha, what's happening with you? CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #233

Not much.. just Cha Apr 2017 #291

Nothing much CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #293

You're productive.. Mahalo Cha Apr 2017 #294

Thanks, I need all of the luck I can get CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #295

We need to be as progressive as possible while being electable. . . . nt JEFF9K Apr 2017 #28

I see only truths. K & R JHan Apr 2017 #29

So let me see....... Glitterati Apr 2017 #32

Seriously, tell me what the hard left has accomplished. Ever. I rest my case. DanTex Apr 2017 #37

There's a case here? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #41

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... opiate69 Apr 2017 #45

Indeed, the far left are losers, who have failed in every possible way. DanTex Apr 2017 #49

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That was very original. How did you think of that? DanTex Apr 2017 #54

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So witty! No wonder the far left has made so much progress! DanTex Apr 2017 #58

And if you stomp your feet a few more times Glitterati Apr 2017 #60

And meanwhile, the clueless far left will still accomplish nothing. Seriously, wake up. DanTex Apr 2017 #61

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As long as you don't name one accomplishment of the far left, you prove my point. DanTex Apr 2017 #66

All you have are personal attacks and insults.. when someone Cha Apr 2017 #111

This is very true. Kentonio Apr 2017 #215

3rd party voters are Losers and Clueless.. that's being kind Cha Apr 2017 #290

Dan didn't direct his insults at 3rd party voters Kentonio Apr 2017 #321

There's a meltdown going on but you need to Cha Apr 2017 #106

People in glass houses Glitterati Apr 2017 #44

The left pushed the social issues and won askyagerz Apr 2017 #125

MA is a progressive state which was the first to legalize gay marriage. We voted for Hillary. n/t seaglass Apr 2017 #147

Thank you from the bottom of my fucking heart elehhhhna Apr 2017 #53

+1 FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #163

I think that living to be constantly oppositional is often frazzled Apr 2017 #33

And it is easy to dupe them with fake news as the past election shows. All you have to do is nikibatts Apr 2017 #51

"Like, you know, " mahannah Apr 2017 #55

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Tell me one thing the far left has accomplished. Ever. I rest my case. DanTex Apr 2017 #63

Oh wait ... winning frazzled Apr 2017 #98

Fine. Run Hillary again. Put Debbie in charge . Winning. elehhhhna Apr 2017 #157

Losing centrists? You mean like the ones who turned around the massive losses stevenleser Apr 2017 #112

There are no "Losing Centrists that run the party".. you Cha Apr 2017 #124

Another mighty wall of straw, which will defend from the invisible enemy . . . hatrack Apr 2017 #62

You could defeat the "wall of straw" by naming one thing the far left has accomplished. DanTex Apr 2017 #65

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So let me get this straight - CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #280

I certainly don't have to answer to you ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #302

Hmmm.... I think you have answers CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #314

Yeah, good luck with that ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #315

My suspicions are confirmed CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #316

So, your suspicions are that I have to vote for my best option ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #325

My suspicions are that you aren't practical enough.... CajunBlazer Apr 2017 #363

You really said this??????? George II Apr 2017 #309

I can't believe that's still there. betsuni Apr 2017 #317

LOL! betsuni Apr 2017 #330

Your concern is noted ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #331

Nope. Obama did not want to make a grand bargain. betsuni Apr 2017 #332

Your understanding of why regulations are needed ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #333

Oh dear, you've called me both childish and a naive child in two posts. betsuni Apr 2017 #337

No, I want you to stop being naive and childish ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #341

Ah, ohhh, I love it when you insult me, big grand bargain turn-on! betsuni Apr 2017 #344

All you have are vapid insults.. "BlahblahblahblahBLAH" Cha Apr 2017 #126

How many more years of "Bernie SUX!" do you want? hatrack Apr 2017 #181

Oh, brother. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #189

Whatever . . . hatrack Apr 2017 #192

Thank you! n/t QC Apr 2017 #284

Yes, it's my Democratic Party and I don't want BS Cha Apr 2017 #289

Well, you can worry about what Sanders says, or what everyone else DOES . . . hatrack Apr 2017 #306

BS isn't helping with misrepresentaion of the Democratic Party. Cha Apr 2017 #310

I vaguely remember last spring and summer how we were told here at DU and other rpannier Apr 2017 #67

it's biting us all collectively in the ass. JHan Apr 2017 #68

No, but given the amout of energy some people put into the drama here Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #69

Tell me one thing the far left has accomplished. I rest my case. DanTex Apr 2017 #70

Define far left and the period in which you speak rpannier Apr 2017 #83

The period is the last 30 years. DanTex Apr 2017 #87

Wow! Such a short period. But since you're asking for anything rpannier Apr 2017 #97

You know, my lifetime. The 1800s is great and all. DanTex Apr 2017 #105

That wasn't what you asked for rpannier Apr 2017 #110

What DU doesn't have enough of is "Let's take a shit on the left" threads. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #71

I was hoping someone could tell me one thing the far left has accomplished. DanTex Apr 2017 #72

Your question is rhetorically vague. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #75

I was talking the last three or four decades. My lifetime. And the answer is nothing. DanTex Apr 2017 #79

The Democrats include the far left in their coalition Gore1FL Apr 2017 #84

The "middle of the road" got us Obamacare and gay rights, for starters. DanTex Apr 2017 #90

Nope. The middle of the road hindered those efforts. Pressure from the left brought it home. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #94

That's a joke. DanTex Apr 2017 #102

It must get tiring moving those goalposts. nt Gore1FL Apr 2017 #129

Dan, you've been here since 2002? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #145

Yup, on and off. Almost my entire adult life. DanTex Apr 2017 #155

I think you've created a "far left" straw creature for your own purposes, here. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #160

No. Unfortunately, the far left and the Green Party are very real. DanTex Apr 2017 #168

Well, good luck. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #171

Well... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #276

The GOP seems to do wonders with less than 60. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #370

Never read my post. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #372

I read your post. It had to do with having a filibuster proof majority. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #373

No ya didn't... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #374

I never said anything about filibuster-proof. Filibuster-proof has NOTHING to do with my point. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #375

Well... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #377

Facts that are topical aren't a problem. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #378

Absolutely right. zentrum Apr 2017 #369

Oh bullshit. progressoid Apr 2017 #122

10 years ago the "sensible" people were all against gay marriage. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #136

The middle of the road brought about gay marriage equality? Exilednight Apr 2017 #226

It was Supreme Court justices nominated by Democrats, not the Green Party. DanTex Apr 2017 #232

There's a lot that is factually wrong with your statement. Exilednight Apr 2017 #237

Factually, it was the Supreme Court that established gay marriage. DanTex Apr 2017 #238

Show me hard facts, not just simplistic math, but actual proof that Nader voters Exilednight Apr 2017 #239

Math isn't "simplistic" just because you don't like what it implies. It's math. DanTex Apr 2017 #240

That's conjecture, not proof. Exilednight Apr 2017 #246

No, it's not a mathematical proof. Such things don't exist outside of mathematics. DanTex Apr 2017 #249

I disagree with your sanity argument. No sane person would have voted Exilednight Apr 2017 #253

I knew sane people who voted for Nader. Young and naive. DanTex Apr 2017 #257

Sanity is a subjective term. Exilednight Apr 2017 #258

Don't forget the hundreds if not thousands Chevy Apr 2017 #376

The far left didn't free the slaves Progressive dog Apr 2017 #198

The political spectrum has existed for a long time. The far left is not a new phenomena. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #225

Nothing remotely "left" at all about people who would vote or not vote Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #228

The "far left" is defined by the political spectrum of the day. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #255

I dont have a clue what that response means. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #283

We were talking abut slavery in this sub-thread. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #300

The founding fathers and Abraham Lincoln were not far left Progressive dog Apr 2017 #235

LOL yeah... American abolitionists and American Revolutionaries are middle of the road types... Gore1FL Apr 2017 #254

you missed the part where I was talking about the far left Progressive dog Apr 2017 #270

FFS.... They were classical liberals. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #299

For FS they weren't far left Progressive dog Apr 2017 #327

Ah yes, history will always remember Franklin, Jefferson, and Madison as "middle of the road." Gore1FL Apr 2017 #334

Actually, Franklin spent years trying to Progressive dog Apr 2017 #346

They were Classical Liberals. I provided links. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #347

Again "classical liberal" is not the same as far left Progressive dog Apr 2017 #364

I am saying they were far left for their era, which is how one should gauge it. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #365

They were not far left for any era Progressive dog Apr 2017 #383

LOL! We aren't talking about seating arrangements in the French National assembly in 1789. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #384

Again you are pretending that liberal and far left are synonyms Progressive dog Apr 2017 #385

I am taking this in the context of what is being discussed in this thread. I ask a third time: Gore1FL Apr 2017 #386

It would be nice if the far left, for once, did some introspection. Progressive dog Apr 2017 #388

*Far Left* is a relative term Gore1FL Apr 2017 #389

There is no point repeating arguments Progressive dog Apr 2017 #390

You aren't making arguments, you are avoiding answering two pretty simple questions. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #391

Yes, you would think that those were simple questions Progressive dog Apr 2017 #392

Europe wasn't in the United States in the 1850s. It still isn't. I never mentioned Lincoln. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #393

So you go from far left to progressive and from Progressive dog Apr 2017 #394

My assertion has never changed. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #395

You've meant the same thing, but Progressive dog Apr 2017 #396

I accept your concession. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #397

I concede nothing Progressive dog Apr 2017 #398

Your failure to come up with an answer was a concession Gore1FL Apr 2017 #399

No it wasn't but I'm not surprised that you would make that claim Progressive dog Apr 2017 #400

Resorting to name-calling isn't the same as providing answers Gore1FL Apr 2017 #403

I'm glad that you realize that Progressive dog Apr 2017 #406

If you don't want to have a discussion, then don't waste my time. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #407

I'm not forcing you to reply and I don't work for you Progressive dog Apr 2017 #408

I am not defending the far right. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #416

You have your own definition of far right Progressive dog Apr 2017 #419

You have your own definitions for everything. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #420

Do you really think that when someone Progressive dog Apr 2017 #421

Please refrain from further wasting my time Gore1FL Apr 2017 #422

No, actually I just think that it's humorous when Progressive dog Apr 2017 #424

Please refrain from wasting my time nt Gore1FL Apr 2017 #425

This! mcar Apr 2017 #74

I thought we were done debating who contributed what to the past election.. LakeArenal Apr 2017 #76

There are many people here more interested in pointing fingers than fixing problems. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #80

Bullshit. Some of us know the 3rd party progressive nonsense is going to REPEAT Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #348

Stopping it by helping us lose future elections, too! Bravo! nt Gore1FL Apr 2017 #349

I know who is doing this and why, so dont waste your time with me. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #361

I would hope you'd know who and why. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #362

Divisive post tiredtoo Apr 2017 #78

Actually, what the far right wants to see is Jill Stein's 2016 campaign. DanTex Apr 2017 #82

What has the middle of the road accomplished? Gore1FL Apr 2017 #88

More and more Republican control of our country. EOM tiredtoo Apr 2017 #95

THIS StubbornThings Apr 2017 #220

Seems a bit odd to say this jimlup Apr 2017 #81

It would be nice if we could join forces to defeat the Republicans. (n/t) klook Apr 2017 #85

+1 Gore1FL Apr 2017 #91

Lots of divisive comments to what in my NoMoreRepugs Apr 2017 #93

I consider myself far left. nevergiveup Apr 2017 #96

+1 Gore1FL Apr 2017 #100

You keep asking in your thread "What has the "far left" accomplished?" Saviolo Apr 2017 #101

My definition, basically, is the Green Party/CounterPunch/CommonDreams/etc. nt DanTex Apr 2017 #107

I didn't realize the Green Party Saviolo Apr 2017 #114

Good for Ralph on the seatbelts. But the damage he did in 2000 was hundreds of times worse. DanTex Apr 2017 #115

He shouldn't have run in 2000, true Saviolo Apr 2017 #123

Oh come on! You can hit that horse harder than that. Put a little shoulder into it. ornotna Apr 2017 #104

Hillary was required to be perfect, unlike all the Dem nominees Justice Apr 2017 #108

The far left more consistently votes for the Democrats, so I don't get it. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2017 #113

The most popular politician in the country askyagerz Apr 2017 #117

In his state with his constituents.. Not in my state.. we like our own Senators Cha Apr 2017 #135

National Fox poll. That says a lot right there askyagerz Apr 2017 #138

I didn't see the poll.. nor any of my Cha Apr 2017 #141

It's called opinions askyagerz Apr 2017 #142

So true... starts at the top. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2017 #152

Hmm. Obama did tell us not to let perfect be the enemy of the good. PatrickforO Apr 2017 #118

I consider myself pretty left askyagerz Apr 2017 #139

Good point. I believe the onus is on us as a party to have a great PatrickforO Apr 2017 #312

Exactly askyagerz Apr 2017 #320

Bullshit! I sure don't talk to many people were delighted at the loss of the 2016 election. Akamai Apr 2017 #119

I Am About As Far Left As One Can Be colsohlibgal Apr 2017 #127

Yeah, it disappointed me too. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2017 #128

Well said ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #175

3rd party Elitist Assholes like stein and sarandon are Cha Apr 2017 #134

Truth JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #144

Stein and Sarandon are two sad people who are proud of their efforts to elect trump Gothmog Apr 2017 #401

K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #146

This stinks like right wing ideological drivel. The Big Ragu Apr 2017 #148

The far left in the country doesn't have the same money at its disposal. The far left, those of it JCanete Apr 2017 #149

If we were smart we would lean left rather than right. Trying to be GOP lite is why we lose. Vinca Apr 2017 #150

For many of those you are talking about it is personality based. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #153

The "far left" thing FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #158

I agree about expanding the party. DanTex Apr 2017 #164

Manchin however is a sitting senator FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #172

Sure, I think Manchin should have opposed Sessions and Gorsuch. DanTex Apr 2017 #179

Last November? Nothing. Now? Everything. FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #182

The people to blame for the "both parties are the same" narrative are the idiots pushing it. DanTex Apr 2017 #186

They are blinded by vanity... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #193

What far left? There's barely a left at all in the U.S. (nt) bekkilyn Apr 2017 #167

That's something else that US leftists should think about. DanTex Apr 2017 #190

I think you're giving these people way too much power bekkilyn Apr 2017 #204

Not all my focus and vitriol, just some of it. DanTex Apr 2017 #206

You're still giving them too much power bekkilyn Apr 2017 #213

There's no denying that they threw the 2000 election to W. That's an obvious fact. DanTex Apr 2017 #230

I view them as more of a symptom that a lot of people are dissatisfied with Dems bekkilyn Apr 2017 #234

Do they not have any responsibility for their actions? DanTex Apr 2017 #236

The Greens aren't asking what they can do differently bekkilyn Apr 2017 #244

Well I think they should be. Because I think that they could be a force for good instead of a force DanTex Apr 2017 #248

Okay, but then you need to give them reasons to be allies bekkilyn Apr 2017 #266

As if Trump is not enough of a reason? An outright racist? Really? And W before him? DanTex Apr 2017 #269

It's not enough of a reason bekkilyn Apr 2017 #273

You are treating the far left as if they had no free will or responsibility. DanTex Apr 2017 #274

Maybe we don't need to accommodate them if they are pro-GOP bekkilyn Apr 2017 #278

I agree. We don't have to accommodate them. DanTex Apr 2017 #279

There are a few "irredeemables" on both sides bekkilyn Apr 2017 #282

Why can't we be friends? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #176

+1 Gore1FL Apr 2017 #301

I see no point in a op like this one. Why rehash the past? Time to move forward. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #183

thanks for trying. nt JCanete Apr 2017 #359

Couldn't disagree more. The Democrats have ONLY been successful when embracing liberalism. Zen Democrat Apr 2017 #184

Bill Clinton was successful, and he didn't embrace liberalism. DanTex Apr 2017 #191

Bill Clinton was popular, a great public speaker, and yet what did he accomplish for Dems? Zen Democrat May 2017 #427

I agree this has been a problem since McGovern....so I'm going back to the 70s. Sancho Apr 2017 #188

the far left got george w bush and donald trump both elected... beachbum bob Apr 2017 #195

I think it's time to stop calling the Nader/Stein voters left WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #197

More importantly, we should all be more focused on actual outcomes, MineralMan Apr 2017 #199

We spent most of the primaries being told we werent allowed a choice. Kentonio Apr 2017 #323

To which "we" do you refer? MineralMan Apr 2017 #336

Oh come on Kentonio Apr 2017 #338

You know, I've always assumed that every member of DU is MineralMan Apr 2017 #339

It's not about what someone on DU said Kentonio Apr 2017 #342

I see. Please pardon my error. MineralMan Apr 2017 #343

No apology required. Kentonio Apr 2017 #345

Great post Gothmog Apr 2017 #200

if you mean fall in line behind whatever gop lite the party is offering? nope dembotoz Apr 2017 #201

K&R NCTraveler Apr 2017 #202

K&R betsuni Apr 2017 #203

Ok, Dan. Just WHO is the "far left"? Who are you sourcing? Eyeball_Kid Apr 2017 #205

The Green Party and it's supporters, and many lefty media outlets. DanTex Apr 2017 #208

I miss unrec. CrispyQ Apr 2017 #207

The point is that before telling the Dems what to do, the left should look in the mirror. DanTex Apr 2017 #209

Rethink their strategy? Are you frikkin kidding me? Kentonio Apr 2017 #324

Yes, rethink it. Is their current strategy accomplishing anything? DanTex Apr 2017 #351

How about you rethink your damn strategy Kentonio Apr 2017 #355

Well, the Dems held the White House for eight years and enacted many historic reforms. DanTex Apr 2017 #356

Obama ran as a progressive for christs sake Kentonio Apr 2017 #357

And governed as one too. DanTex Apr 2017 #358

We just ran on the most progressive platform ever. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #210

Most on DU who identify with the far left got in line behind HRC. CrispyQ Apr 2017 #211

The post is addressing people who are pleased WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #214

Maybe instead of saying "far left" the OP should have just specified "Green" or "Nader/Stein" bekkilyn Apr 2017 #218

I'm left and I wasn't offended at all WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #222

Agreed, but why keep giving power and attention to her? bekkilyn Apr 2017 #224

They keep doing it because it is easier to point fingers than to solve the underlying problems. nt Gore1FL Apr 2017 #227

They didn't vote for Trump, so how are they responsible for him? PotatoChip Apr 2017 #223

"Far Left"? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #217

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Are Democrats no longer "far left"? Damn, how things have changed. StubbornThings Apr 2017 #221

Ah yes, us horrible monsters on the 'far left' and our crazy ideas. Kentonio Apr 2017 #229

It's not fair to imply that people on the left are gleeful that Trump is in. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #241

True. For example, I am on the left, and I am not the least bit gleeful. DanTex Apr 2017 #243

And we don't have many "far left" types on THIS board, so why are you calling them out here? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #245

We don't have many Republicans on this board, but people call out the GOP here all the time. DanTex Apr 2017 #256

The right will never be in our political coalition. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #303

We can only control what we do bekkilyn Apr 2017 #247

Sure, of course. DanTex Apr 2017 #251

I would argue that more introspection is needed all around bekkilyn Apr 2017 #267

The GOP controls the White House, Congress, SCOTUS & 33 state legislatures. CrispyQ Apr 2017 #250

True, 2016 didn't go as well for Dems as 2008 or 1992 did. DanTex Apr 2017 #252

Obama's 2008 campaign was far more progressive. PotatoChip Apr 2017 #259

Actually, no, it wasn't. Obama had more charisma, but in terms of issues, 2016 was more progressive DanTex Apr 2017 #260

We had a reasonably progressive platform, but it was rarely talked about. PotatoChip Apr 2017 #262

Yes, it was talked about all the time. In all the debates, in rallies, etc. DanTex Apr 2017 #263

Of course the "far left" ignored it. The Greens had their own platform to run on. (nt) PotatoChip Apr 2017 #265

The platform wasn't the problem bekkilyn Apr 2017 #271

Yeah, I agree, she could have done many things better, including more resources in those states. DanTex Apr 2017 #272

Overall, I think she would have done a good job bekkilyn Apr 2017 #275

Crushed tiptonic Apr 2017 #298

You always need a far left zentrum Apr 2017 #304

Chris Hedges is a perfect example of the stupidity and impotence of the far left. DanTex Apr 2017 #335

"The Stupidity of the Left". Wow. zentrum Apr 2017 #366

Yes. The far left in this country is quite stupid. DanTex Apr 2017 #381

If only as a scapegoat when centrism fails. n/t Orsino Apr 2017 #387

I'm watching the Ken Burns documentary of the Roosevelts. athena Apr 2017 #305

Some that crossed my timeline recently: Saviolo Apr 2017 #352

The mantra of the non-empathetic left is to crush the Democrats. joshcryer Apr 2017 #307

Yes. For all the noise here, they are a minority who Hortensis Apr 2017 #360

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Apr 2017 #308

This thread should be locked Mosby Apr 2017 #350

I am really enjoying this thread Gothmog Apr 2017 #353

Me too. DanTex Apr 2017 #354

you got some creative spin offs, well done. JHan Apr 2017 #380

Politics is broken Worktodo Apr 2017 #382

Another useless bash democrats thread. gtar100 Apr 2017 #402

we're in the midst of life-altering fascism bigtree Apr 2017 #409

Yes. That's what makes it so egregious that the far left helped bring this about. DanTex Apr 2017 #410

those folks are individuals with their own agendas bigtree Apr 2017 #411

They, and others like them, are the far left. DanTex Apr 2017 #412

I don't think you've provided any evidence of that, outside of pointing to a handful of individuals bigtree Apr 2017 #413

That's the sense in which I'm using the term "far left". DanTex Apr 2017 #414

then address those individuals and their individual agendas, statements, actions bigtree Apr 2017 #415

Actually, yes, the individuals I am pointing to are organized. DanTex Apr 2017 #417

you overstate their individual influence bigtree Apr 2017 #418

But not their collective influence. DanTex Apr 2017 #426

Jettison them, move a little to the right and pick up the win in the center. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #423